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> every message you send has to be sent in a topic. ... Ever have a situation in Slack where two people are discussing something in a channel instead of using a

> every message you send has to be sent in a topic. ... Ever have a situation in Slack where two people are discussing something in a channel instead of using a thread or DM? That isn't possible in Zulip. After some short period of playing with Zulip with a colleague of mine I found this feature to be confusing, at least for new users: it is way too easy to disregard the concept of topics and start writing to the random topic that happens to be selected in user's client atm, and in the end the conversation mess keeps being a (slightly rearranged) mess.

mbreese 8y ago
I’ve been wondering about this. Instead of topics, why not use hashtags? I know in Slack the hashtags indicate the channel, but they don’t need to. So instead of having set topics, you could just add a tag to messages to indicate the topic. When a user is forced to make a decision on something like ‘topic’ just to send a quick message, you’re more likely to get randomly assigned, meaningless topics. Random hashtags, on the other hand, are no big deal. Because you have to actively search for the ones you want. This has been the paradigm since Web 2.0 and it seems to have worked pretty well.
- rafd 8y ago
  That's the approach that we take in Braid chat: https://github.com/braid https://github.com/braid hat/braid Works well, although some people are put off by the similarity to Twitter #sigh
- web007 8y ago
  Slack channels (and Zulip streams and HipChat rooms) are not "hashtags", they're IRC channels in modern form. When a user is forced to add a tag for a message, you're more likely not to get anything tagged and therefore decrease the utility of search. So you're going to start auto-assigning a tag, maybe based on their last message, which brings you back to channels / topics / chatrooms.
- jacinda 8y ago
  Random topics are no big deal in Zulip either. You can either a) edit the name of the topic at any time if needed or b) create a new topic as topics are cheap
aero31aero 8y ago
This is where the topic editing feature comes into play; any user can change the topic of a message sent recently, and if someone posts something in a wrong topic, it can be moved to a different topic. Also, after a while this paradigm grows on you and by forcing you to think of a relevant title for your conversation, it forces you to have more cohesive conversations in my view. And, lastly, it is possible to send messages without any topic (it defaults to (no topic)). :)

mbreese 8y ago

I’ve been wondering about this. Instead of topics, why not use hashtags? I know in Slack the hashtags indicate the channel, but they don’t need to. So instead of having set topics, you could just add a tag to messages to indicate the topic. When a user is forced to make a decision on something like ‘topic’ just to send a quick message, you’re more likely to get randomly assigned, meaningless topics. Random hashtags, on the other hand, are no big deal. Because you have to actively search for the ones you want. This has been the paradigm since Web 2.0 and it seems to have worked pretty well.

rafd 8y ago
That's the approach that we take in Braid chat: https://github.com/braid https://github.com/braid hat/braid Works well, although some people are put off by the similarity to Twitter #sigh
web007 8y ago
Slack channels (and Zulip streams and HipChat rooms) are not "hashtags", they're IRC channels in modern form. When a user is forced to add a tag for a message, you're more likely not to get anything tagged and therefore decrease the utility of search. So you're going to start auto-assigning a tag, maybe based on their last message, which brings you back to channels / topics / chatrooms.
jacinda 8y ago
Random topics are no big deal in Zulip either. You can either a) edit the name of the topic at any time if needed or b) create a new topic as topics are cheap

aero31aero 8y ago

This is where the topic editing feature comes into play; any user can change the topic of a message sent recently, and if someone posts something in a wrong topic, it can be moved to a different topic. Also, after a while this paradigm grows on you and by forcing you to think of a relevant title for your conversation, it forces you to have more cohesive conversations in my view. And, lastly, it is possible to send messages without any topic (it defaults to (no topic)). :)