> I think your situation sounds a bit different Even if so, that's not relevant; you said that people like me "invariably" don't exist. > where the manager ei

> I think your situation sounds a bit different Even if so, that's not relevant; you said that people like me "invariably" don't exist. > where the manager either isn't very technical or isn't technical enough. Otherwise they'd be able to see the problem for themselves. No, that's entirely wrong. As I clearly stated, it's the programming staff who can't see the problem. They are the people who never complain about technical debt while also never reducing it, contrary to your statement. That's the point, and your "good for you" is point-missingly dismissive. > Speaking as a manager for a sec here Just don't; I've been developing software since 1965 and I don't need your lectures (which are based on a complete lack of knowledge and erroneous assumptions about the software manager at that firm and my relationship and interactions with him), I simply pointed out that your sweeping generalization about who reduces technical debt and who points it out is erroneous. That's all. Period. The end. I won't respond further.