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Regardless, GNOME is going to do something which is many times more terrible than having a global or local application menu. They are going to put everything in

Regardless, GNOME is going to do something which is many times more terrible than having a global or local application menu. They are going to put everything into hamburger menus: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenuMigration https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenuMigration I can see why the hamburger menu works for a constrained space (such as a smartphone), but for a laptop or desktop, it is absolutely terrible: place for less menu items, another layer of navigation (since you cannot cram everything in one menu), and in the GNOME case typically no visible keyboard shortcuts. The Xerox Star had hamburger menus, but Apple Lisa and the Macintosh moved away from hamburger menus because regular menus had better discoverability and required less clicking accuracy [1]. We are moving backwards when it comes to user interfaces. Luckily, it seems that this disease hasn't really spread to KDE or macOS yet. Unfortunately, in GNOME, the application menu was already pretty useless, because it had many items already moved to the hamburger menu or simply removed. [1] https://medium.com/@probonopd/make-it-simple-linux-desktop-usability-part-1-5fa0fb369b42 https://medium.com/@probonopd/make-it-simple-linux-desktop-u...

alxlaz 8y ago
> Regardless, GNOME is going to do something which is many times more terrible than having a global or local application menu. They are going to put everything into hamburger menus: It's amazing how even the mockups on that page are obviously for phones or tablets. On the one hand, I while I don't use it anymore, I do wish desktops were more of a first-class citizen for Gnome, since it's the default environment on many distributions. On the other hand though, I really wish designers involved in Linux FOSS projects would stop shoving designs made with smartphones in mind on the desktop. Running Gnome on a 27" screen -- and Gnome applications -- is a really confusing (and, at times, outright hilarious) experience, it's like I'm moving iPads around on my screen. Maybe this is a step in the right direction.
mongol 8y ago
How are such decisions made in Gnome? Who decides and how do they enforce it? Will it be salaried developers that adjust the applications?

alxlaz 8y ago

> Regardless, GNOME is going to do something which is many times more terrible than having a global or local application menu. They are going to put everything into hamburger menus: It's amazing how even the mockups on that page are obviously for phones or tablets. On the one hand, I while I don't use it anymore, I do wish desktops were more of a first-class citizen for Gnome, since it's the default environment on many distributions. On the other hand though, I really wish designers involved in Linux FOSS projects would stop shoving designs made with smartphones in mind on the desktop. Running Gnome on a 27" screen -- and Gnome applications -- is a really confusing (and, at times, outright hilarious) experience, it's like I'm moving iPads around on my screen. Maybe this is a step in the right direction.

mongol 8y ago

How are such decisions made in Gnome? Who decides and how do they enforce it? Will it be salaried developers that adjust the applications?