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What about summarizing the entire movie? That's an instant NO from me. I've literally not watched movies because I've seen the trailers and feel there's really

by B-Con 8y ago

What about summarizing the entire movie? That's an instant NO from me. I've literally not watched movies because I've seen the trailers and feel there's really no wiggle room left plot-wise, I know it all. I very actively avoid all trailers for movies that I'm going to see. Modern blockbuster trailers just ruin the movie.

lsh 8y ago
Trailers don't summarise the whole movie. And even if you feel they do, knowing the outline of a movie isn't going to ruin the actual movie experience itself. I avoid heaps of crap movies simply because I dismiss them out of hand by their trailer. Obviously there is the occasional movie whose trailer was crap but was actually exceptional. These come around again. There is so much drek out there a strong filter and upturned nose is essential to carefully picking something that won't waste your time and money. Otherwise you're saddled with Transformers 12: Re-revengance the pre-sequel. Or Star Wars 8 ;) It's how the same old variation of a story is told, how well did they pull it off, was it charming, was the dialogue and it's delivery any good, etc. And watching a movie with another person changes the movie again. Or watching it at a cinema surrounded pigs at their troughs. So many ways to appreciate movie watching that a trailer can't ever touch.
- B-Con 8y ago
  > Trailers don't summarise the whole movie. Some do. If they contain: * the protagonist's set-up * the antagonist's set-up * an explanation of the protagonist's challenges * the protagonist overcoming the challenges * the nature of the twist * (sometimes the twist itself is hinted at) * any romantic relationship of significance is both shown and the direction it ultimately goes is implied * half the big awesome SFX scenes * half the funny scenes * almost every character of significance to the plot then there isn't much left, I know almost all the key checkpoints, who has to be where and do what and what action has to occur. It's pretty much sketched out. There's minimal suspense because I know who can't die and who has to be where at the end of the movie. > And even if you feel they do, knowing the outline of a movie isn't going to ruin the actual movie experience itself. It definitely can. Part of a story is experiencing it for the first time, watching it unfold and not knowing what will happen. Trailers take that away from you. "Oh yeah, I've seen this fight sequence and heard that joke before" just doesn't carry the same weight. And when I have a checklist of people with places to be and action scenes to happen, I can predict things. "Well, I know there's going to be a twist because X has to fight Y in the streets and it looks like they're getting along OK as we approach 1h 20m mark." There's minimal surprise left, which really hampers my ability to empathize with the characters and engage in the story.
  - zaarn 8y ago
    A movie can work even if you know how these things. The how is just as important as the what in a movie, even if, for example, you know the twist of a movie, it can be just as fun to watch how you get there, how all the scenes and narration from the trailer is strung together into the movie.
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    - always_good 8y ago
      I don't believe anyone here was suggesting that the movie becomes literally unwatchable. But a movie is just a 90 minute experience. It's nice to maximize it. And one simple approach is to avoid giving in to curiosity by watching its 30 second summary for the same reason you don't read plot outlines on Wikipedia before reading books or tv show episodes.
      - zaarn 8y ago
        I do actually go to Wikipedia and other places to spoil the plot outline to myself. Makes it much easier to focus on the implementation of the story rather than having to focus on both story and implementation.
        ironcan 8y ago
        If there is one comment that embodies the HN spirit, it's this one...
        zaarn 8y ago
        I would disagree there a bit, I do it because I enjoy taking things apart and seeing how it all ticks together. Like taking apart a running grandfather clock to see it tick. Movies and TV series or even books are similar to me. I do enjoy digging deep into TVTropes and AllTheTropes so I can whlie watching a movie, take it apart and see how it ticks. How the movie achieves the suspension of disbelief, how the heroes journey is being implemented in lockstep with the villain (if there is even one) or how a character is built, what parts make them what they are. I think it's more of a hackers spirit rather than HN. I read the manual of the movie so I can take it apart like some hacker might read a device manual to be able to take it apart more easily.
- dorkwood 8y ago
  The thing is, while watching a movie after seeing its trailer, my brain will automatically anticipate scenes that are yet to come and fill in gaps much quicker than if I hadn’t seen the trailer. There’s less suspense and I enjoy the movie less because of it. I suspect that with people whose brains work differently, this is not as much of an issue.
- always_good 8y ago
  Most modern trailers are just a sampling of all scenes from start to finish, so they absolutely summarize the movie. Frequently they even show the twist or enough of the post-twist to imply the twist, though that isn't necessary to be a bad trailer. An outline kills a movie because you can anticipate scenes. Oh, here's this guy. I remember a fight scene from the trailer where Tom Cruise jumps him. I wonder when that happens. The movie clearly introduces him as a good guy. I wonder when you're supposed to find out he's one of the goons. If it wasn't such a major issue, you wouldn't have people like me and many I know who avoid trailers entirely. If the movie is good, then the trailer does nothing but dampen the experience.
  - Guillaume86 8y ago
    /!\ minor "Thor: Ragnarok" Spoiler inside A good recent example is "Thor: Ragnarok", I usually avoid trailers but I watched this one because I don't care much for superhero movies anyway. They reveal in the trailer there is a Thor vs Hulk fight. Then I actually watched the movie and I realized they spent a good 15 mins building up the encounter between Thor and a mysterious champion, and the reveal itself is clearly supposed to be a major twist. I definitely felt the trailer took from my experience...

by B-Con 8y ago

lsh 8y ago

Trailers don't summarise the whole movie. And even if you feel they do, knowing the outline of a movie isn't going to ruin the actual movie experience itself. I avoid heaps of crap movies simply because I dismiss them out of hand by their trailer. Obviously there is the occasional movie whose trailer was crap but was actually exceptional. These come around again. There is so much drek out there a strong filter and upturned nose is essential to carefully picking something that won't waste your time and money. Otherwise you're saddled with Transformers 12: Re-revengance the pre-sequel. Or Star Wars 8 ;) It's how the same old variation of a story is told, how well did they pull it off, was it charming, was the dialogue and it's delivery any good, etc. And watching a movie with another person changes the movie again. Or watching it at a cinema surrounded pigs at their troughs. So many ways to appreciate movie watching that a trailer can't ever touch.

B-Con 8y ago
> Trailers don't summarise the whole movie. Some do. If they contain: * the protagonist's set-up * the antagonist's set-up * an explanation of the protagonist's challenges * the protagonist overcoming the challenges * the nature of the twist * (sometimes the twist itself is hinted at) * any romantic relationship of significance is both shown and the direction it ultimately goes is implied * half the big awesome SFX scenes * half the funny scenes * almost every character of significance to the plot then there isn't much left, I know almost all the key checkpoints, who has to be where and do what and what action has to occur. It's pretty much sketched out. There's minimal suspense because I know who can't die and who has to be where at the end of the movie. > And even if you feel they do, knowing the outline of a movie isn't going to ruin the actual movie experience itself. It definitely can. Part of a story is experiencing it for the first time, watching it unfold and not knowing what will happen. Trailers take that away from you. "Oh yeah, I've seen this fight sequence and heard that joke before" just doesn't carry the same weight. And when I have a checklist of people with places to be and action scenes to happen, I can predict things. "Well, I know there's going to be a twist because X has to fight Y in the streets and it looks like they're getting along OK as we approach 1h 20m mark." There's minimal surprise left, which really hampers my ability to empathize with the characters and engage in the story.
- zaarn 8y ago
  A movie can work even if you know how these things. The how is just as important as the what in a movie, even if, for example, you know the twist of a movie, it can be just as fun to watch how you get there, how all the scenes and narration from the trailer is strung together into the movie.
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  - always_good 8y ago
    I don't believe anyone here was suggesting that the movie becomes literally unwatchable. But a movie is just a 90 minute experience. It's nice to maximize it. And one simple approach is to avoid giving in to curiosity by watching its 30 second summary for the same reason you don't read plot outlines on Wikipedia before reading books or tv show episodes.
    - zaarn 8y ago
      I do actually go to Wikipedia and other places to spoil the plot outline to myself. Makes it much easier to focus on the implementation of the story rather than having to focus on both story and implementation.
      - ironcan 8y ago
        If there is one comment that embodies the HN spirit, it's this one...
        zaarn 8y ago
        I would disagree there a bit, I do it because I enjoy taking things apart and seeing how it all ticks together. Like taking apart a running grandfather clock to see it tick. Movies and TV series or even books are similar to me. I do enjoy digging deep into TVTropes and AllTheTropes so I can whlie watching a movie, take it apart and see how it ticks. How the movie achieves the suspension of disbelief, how the heroes journey is being implemented in lockstep with the villain (if there is even one) or how a character is built, what parts make them what they are. I think it's more of a hackers spirit rather than HN. I read the manual of the movie so I can take it apart like some hacker might read a device manual to be able to take it apart more easily.
dorkwood 8y ago
The thing is, while watching a movie after seeing its trailer, my brain will automatically anticipate scenes that are yet to come and fill in gaps much quicker than if I hadn’t seen the trailer. There’s less suspense and I enjoy the movie less because of it. I suspect that with people whose brains work differently, this is not as much of an issue.
always_good 8y ago
Most modern trailers are just a sampling of all scenes from start to finish, so they absolutely summarize the movie. Frequently they even show the twist or enough of the post-twist to imply the twist, though that isn't necessary to be a bad trailer. An outline kills a movie because you can anticipate scenes. Oh, here's this guy. I remember a fight scene from the trailer where Tom Cruise jumps him. I wonder when that happens. The movie clearly introduces him as a good guy. I wonder when you're supposed to find out he's one of the goons. If it wasn't such a major issue, you wouldn't have people like me and many I know who avoid trailers entirely. If the movie is good, then the trailer does nothing but dampen the experience.
- Guillaume86 8y ago
  /!\ minor "Thor: Ragnarok" Spoiler inside A good recent example is "Thor: Ragnarok", I usually avoid trailers but I watched this one because I don't care much for superhero movies anyway. They reveal in the trailer there is a Thor vs Hulk fight. Then I actually watched the movie and I realized they spent a good 15 mins building up the encounter between Thor and a mysterious champion, and the reveal itself is clearly supposed to be a major twist. I definitely felt the trailer took from my experience...