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Any reason in particular you choose not to trust Telegram? Or you're just (rightfully) distrustful of sharing that info in general?

zaarn 8y ago
Personally I don't trust telegram because of their funding source. Additionally their first encryption protocol was extremely wonky and most people I know would correctly call it unsafe for use in a chat messenger. Their second version is a tiny bit better but neither has been verified by any proper cryptographer I know. Additionally Telegram as an App seems more like a Toy rather than a proper chat app, the stickers are big and completely destroy the flow of a conversation last I checked it. Other features are like this too. Lastly, to my knowledge, end-to-end encryption is not enabled by default, neither for private messaging or groups. That's just a no-go for any chat application for me.
- newscracker 8y ago
  > Personally I don't trust telegram because of their funding source. You could say the same for Signal (before Signal Foundation was created this year) or Wire (created by the people who created Skype) too. > Lastly, to my knowledge, end-to-end encryption is not enabled by default, neither for private messaging or groups. That's just a no-go for any chat application for me. The “secret chats” are always end-to-end encrypted. The normal chats are encrypted only in transit and not end-to-end. But secret chats are also tied to a single device (currently only phones), unlike Wire, which offers end-to-end encryption and synchronized conversations across devices.
  - zaarn 8y ago
    >Wire (created by the people who created Skype) too. Wire is also Open Source. >The “secret chats” are always end-to-end encrypted. Secret Chats come with too many drawbacks and other message applications seem to do perfectly fine. As you mention, only one device. >The normal chats are encrypted only in transit and not end-to-end That is TLS and not E2E encryption which is also a total no-go for me.

zaarn 8y ago

Personally I don't trust telegram because of their funding source. Additionally their first encryption protocol was extremely wonky and most people I know would correctly call it unsafe for use in a chat messenger. Their second version is a tiny bit better but neither has been verified by any proper cryptographer I know. Additionally Telegram as an App seems more like a Toy rather than a proper chat app, the stickers are big and completely destroy the flow of a conversation last I checked it. Other features are like this too. Lastly, to my knowledge, end-to-end encryption is not enabled by default, neither for private messaging or groups. That's just a no-go for any chat application for me.

newscracker 8y ago
> Personally I don't trust telegram because of their funding source. You could say the same for Signal (before Signal Foundation was created this year) or Wire (created by the people who created Skype) too. > Lastly, to my knowledge, end-to-end encryption is not enabled by default, neither for private messaging or groups. That's just a no-go for any chat application for me. The “secret chats” are always end-to-end encrypted. The normal chats are encrypted only in transit and not end-to-end. But secret chats are also tied to a single device (currently only phones), unlike Wire, which offers end-to-end encryption and synchronized conversations across devices.
- zaarn 8y ago
  >Wire (created by the people who created Skype) too. Wire is also Open Source. >The “secret chats” are always end-to-end encrypted. Secret Chats come with too many drawbacks and other message applications seem to do perfectly fine. As you mention, only one device. >The normal chats are encrypted only in transit and not end-to-end That is TLS and not E2E encryption which is also a total no-go for me.