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> Decline and visit plaintext site This doesn't count as opt-out by default behavour for tracking. Have any complaints been made in the EU toward NPR? EDIT: G

by messe 8y ago

> Decline and visit plaintext site This doesn't count as opt-out by default behavour for tracking. Have any complaints been made in the EU toward NPR? EDIT: Glad this is getting some attention, whether it be upvoting or downvoting.

cosmojg 8y ago
Doesn't it? By default, you're opted out of loading the page altogether. You may then opt in for the full version or remain opted out and continue onto the plaintext version. Personally, I love this implementation.
- messe 8y ago
  If opt out were truly the default, it would, in turn here, imply that default behaviour of the site is to serve the plaintext version. This is obviously not the case and has never been the case.
  - grawprog 8y ago
    Well you have the choice not to read anything on NPR. If it bothers you.
  - freeone3000 8y ago
    I don't think it's "obviously" not the case. Plain text has been the default since before we had displays. It was not the default for NPR since before GDPR, and now it is. Moreover, the only image in the article is a non-content header display image. The entire article is plain text. You are experiencing no degradation, and honestly an improvement! (smaller page, less loading, less waiting, easier to manage on smaller screens...) I wish this became the standard for compliance.
  - zucan 8y ago
    "opt-out as default" in the context of GDPR means that all EU citizens have to be considered as not having given consent to usage of their personal data until they explicitly do so. See Recital 32, Sentence 3: "Silence, pre-ticked boxes or inactivity should not therefore constitute consent." [0] in the context of consent of the data subject to make processing of personal data lawful (Article 6 [1]) I'd be glad if you could point out a regulation on the content website owners must offer to people who do not wish their personal data to be processed. [0] https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/ [1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/
jacquesm 8y ago
You shouldn't make frivolous complaints. You are just adding noise and drowning out the real signal based on your knee jerk reaction to something that you don't like but that is actually perfectly legal and in fact a reasonable solution, after all, you did get to read the article. Personally I prefer the NPR's 'text' version over their fancy one anyway. It loads quicker and doesn't have any of the js nonsense.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 8y ago
  I like the plaintext version better too, but when I hit decline it redirects me to the “main page” of the plaintext site which just shows a top 10 stories view. Am I missing how to go see the story from plaintext due to some browser settings or something? Running latest iOS on iPhone 7+
  - Firerouge 8y ago
    Same problem, the decline (opt-out) seems to make it impossible to read the article. Android chrome.
    - messe 8y ago
      I feel like the majority of people downvoting my original top level comment haven't had to click the decline/opt-out link.
      - jacquesm 8y ago
        I feel like you did not really look: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=629871725 https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=629871725
megaman22 8y ago
Pretty sure NPR shouldn't be particularly concerned about foreign regulations. It's an entirely US based entity.
- messe 8y ago
  In that case, why serve the page at all?
  - megaman22 8y ago
    Because that's not how the internet ever worked before this foolishness.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Dude, they're trying to serve you. It's not as if you paid them anything for TFA. Yet you're perfectly satisfied for them to be threatened from abroad? Wow.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Lots of regulations eventually shift in people's estimation from "this might be a good idea" when introduced to "this is what God intended" after years of acclimation. The shift seems to have been really fast for this regulation.
toast_coder 8y ago
GDPR is criminalizing all websites because compliance is impossible. It puts european officials in exactly the possition they want to be in, everyone is breaking the law an enforcement is a matter of who their friends are. Majors websites are taking steps to remove access from eu. This will only get worse. Be prepared to live in the environmet your politicians have created, or be prepared to come back to planet reality. I speak personally, as a technical architect for international sales organization. People who basically are not in that position don't realize the way the law is written that compliance is not feasible. You are simply gambling that the shakedown form the enforceres won't be to bad.
- messe 8y ago
  > GDPR is criminalizing all websites because compliance is impossible I disagree, compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users. > be prepared to come back to planet reality. Please refrain from hyperboly, I'd much rather a civil discussion about this.
  - will4274 8y ago
    > compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users. Please stop spreading this FUD. There are tons of architectures (e.g. Apache Kafka) which were totally sane and require total reorganization to become compliant. Dismissing this as "not very difficult" and adding a snide little attack on anybody who disagrees is untrue and an ad hominem to boot. Complying with GDPR is costly and significant work. If implememtations match legislative aspirations, it could also be a significant boon to consumers. However, legitimate questions about the level of compliance, particularly from companies with unscrupulous business models leave it currently vague whether the boon will be realized in full, in part, or not at all. Though I know hacker news discourages political discourse and meta, I would interject - almost all political topics have upsides and downsides. Pretending that the downsides don't exist on any policy isn't passionate advocacy - it's just degrading the level of discourse.
    - 8y ago

by messe 8y ago

cosmojg 8y ago

Doesn't it? By default, you're opted out of loading the page altogether. You may then opt in for the full version or remain opted out and continue onto the plaintext version. Personally, I love this implementation.

messe 8y ago
If opt out were truly the default, it would, in turn here, imply that default behaviour of the site is to serve the plaintext version. This is obviously not the case and has never been the case.
- grawprog 8y ago
  Well you have the choice not to read anything on NPR. If it bothers you.
- freeone3000 8y ago
  I don't think it's "obviously" not the case. Plain text has been the default since before we had displays. It was not the default for NPR since before GDPR, and now it is. Moreover, the only image in the article is a non-content header display image. The entire article is plain text. You are experiencing no degradation, and honestly an improvement! (smaller page, less loading, less waiting, easier to manage on smaller screens...) I wish this became the standard for compliance.
- zucan 8y ago
  "opt-out as default" in the context of GDPR means that all EU citizens have to be considered as not having given consent to usage of their personal data until they explicitly do so. See Recital 32, Sentence 3: "Silence, pre-ticked boxes or inactivity should not therefore constitute consent." [0] in the context of consent of the data subject to make processing of personal data lawful (Article 6 [1]) I'd be glad if you could point out a regulation on the content website owners must offer to people who do not wish their personal data to be processed. [0] https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-32/ [1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

jacquesm 8y ago

You shouldn't make frivolous complaints. You are just adding noise and drowning out the real signal based on your knee jerk reaction to something that you don't like but that is actually perfectly legal and in fact a reasonable solution, after all, you did get to read the article. Personally I prefer the NPR's 'text' version over their fancy one anyway. It loads quicker and doesn't have any of the js nonsense.

SOLAR_FIELDS 8y ago
I like the plaintext version better too, but when I hit decline it redirects me to the “main page” of the plaintext site which just shows a top 10 stories view. Am I missing how to go see the story from plaintext due to some browser settings or something? Running latest iOS on iPhone 7+
- Firerouge 8y ago
  Same problem, the decline (opt-out) seems to make it impossible to read the article. Android chrome.
  - messe 8y ago
    I feel like the majority of people downvoting my original top level comment haven't had to click the decline/opt-out link.
    - jacquesm 8y ago
      I feel like you did not really look: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=629871725 https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=629871725

megaman22 8y ago

Pretty sure NPR shouldn't be particularly concerned about foreign regulations. It's an entirely US based entity.

messe 8y ago
In that case, why serve the page at all?
- megaman22 8y ago
  Because that's not how the internet ever worked before this foolishness.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Dude, they're trying to serve you. It's not as if you paid them anything for TFA. Yet you're perfectly satisfied for them to be threatened from abroad? Wow.
jessaustin 8y ago
Lots of regulations eventually shift in people's estimation from "this might be a good idea" when introduced to "this is what God intended" after years of acclimation. The shift seems to have been really fast for this regulation.

toast_coder 8y ago

GDPR is criminalizing all websites because compliance is impossible. It puts european officials in exactly the possition they want to be in, everyone is breaking the law an enforcement is a matter of who their friends are. Majors websites are taking steps to remove access from eu. This will only get worse. Be prepared to live in the environmet your politicians have created, or be prepared to come back to planet reality. I speak personally, as a technical architect for international sales organization. People who basically are not in that position don't realize the way the law is written that compliance is not feasible. You are simply gambling that the shakedown form the enforceres won't be to bad.

messe 8y ago
> GDPR is criminalizing all websites because compliance is impossible I disagree, compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users. > be prepared to come back to planet reality. Please refrain from hyperboly, I'd much rather a civil discussion about this.
- will4274 8y ago
  > compliance isn't particularly difficult unless you're going out of your way to do something harmful to your users. Please stop spreading this FUD. There are tons of architectures (e.g. Apache Kafka) which were totally sane and require total reorganization to become compliant. Dismissing this as "not very difficult" and adding a snide little attack on anybody who disagrees is untrue and an ad hominem to boot. Complying with GDPR is costly and significant work. If implememtations match legislative aspirations, it could also be a significant boon to consumers. However, legitimate questions about the level of compliance, particularly from companies with unscrupulous business models leave it currently vague whether the boon will be realized in full, in part, or not at all. Though I know hacker news discourages political discourse and meta, I would interject - almost all political topics have upsides and downsides. Pretending that the downsides don't exist on any policy isn't passionate advocacy - it's just degrading the level of discourse.
  - 8y ago