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I've been using spacemacs for a bit now, mainly because of org-mode. Most of the keybindings from Vim transfer to spacemacs, so it hasn't been very hard to lear

I've been using spacemacs for a bit now, mainly because of org-mode. Most of the keybindings from Vim transfer to spacemacs, so it hasn't been very hard to learn, so for you I think it would be a nice middle ground, if you don't want to immediately go full Emacs.

platz 8y ago
Spacemacs unfortunately suffers from slow startup speed and an unnecessary "layers" abstraction. I could never use Emacs without vim keybindings, but I don't need to install Spacemacs to get that. It's as easy as package-install evil package-install evil-commentary package-install evil-leader package-install evil-org package-install evil-surround
- celeritascelery 8y ago
  Your missing he part where you have to configure all those packages. Having new features already setup and integrated for me is a huge plus. It takes a lot of work to mimic something as well done as Spacemacs.
  - platz 8y ago
    here's the total configuration required: (require 'evil) (require 'evil-matchit) (require 'evil-surround) (evil-mode 1) (global-evil-matchit-mode 1) (global-evil-surround-mode 1) (evil-commentary-mode) judge for yourself whether this is too much work to paste into your .emacs
    - SmirkingRevenge 8y ago
      Spacemacs does a lot more than provide vim key bindings and modal editing. The biggie to me is discoverability, with it's pneumonic key combos, and integrating with packages like helm. Even with evil, the vim semantics are often violated in special buffers, making for a rather disjointed experience. Spacemacs also does a lot to smooth out a lot of those problems.
- PurpleRamen 8y ago
  Layers are not an abstraction, it's an organization-system for the configuration. Anyone who has more then a handful lines of configurations develops some system to avoid the infamous .emacs bankruptcy. And Spacemacs comes with dozen packages pre-configured, while offering the option to allow the user to choose from hundred more package-configurations. Similar slow startup. Majority impact on spacemacs startup is the regular search for package updates. Without it the startup-time is relative tame, though there is of course some place for improvment if you aim for <1 sec-startups.
- akashakya 8y ago
  Have you tried doom-emacs? https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs It has an insane startup speed! I tried once and it opened within a second. I'm not an evil user myself, so don't know about the vim compatibility. If you are interested in making the startup faster, check https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/wiki/FAQ#how-is-dooms-startup-so-fast https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/wiki/FAQ#how-is-dooms... from the same author

platz 8y ago

Spacemacs unfortunately suffers from slow startup speed and an unnecessary "layers" abstraction. I could never use Emacs without vim keybindings, but I don't need to install Spacemacs to get that. It's as easy as package-install evil package-install evil-commentary package-install evil-leader package-install evil-org package-install evil-surround

celeritascelery 8y ago
Your missing he part where you have to configure all those packages. Having new features already setup and integrated for me is a huge plus. It takes a lot of work to mimic something as well done as Spacemacs.
- platz 8y ago
  here's the total configuration required: (require 'evil) (require 'evil-matchit) (require 'evil-surround) (evil-mode 1) (global-evil-matchit-mode 1) (global-evil-surround-mode 1) (evil-commentary-mode) judge for yourself whether this is too much work to paste into your .emacs
  - SmirkingRevenge 8y ago
    Spacemacs does a lot more than provide vim key bindings and modal editing. The biggie to me is discoverability, with it's pneumonic key combos, and integrating with packages like helm. Even with evil, the vim semantics are often violated in special buffers, making for a rather disjointed experience. Spacemacs also does a lot to smooth out a lot of those problems.
PurpleRamen 8y ago
Layers are not an abstraction, it's an organization-system for the configuration. Anyone who has more then a handful lines of configurations develops some system to avoid the infamous .emacs bankruptcy. And Spacemacs comes with dozen packages pre-configured, while offering the option to allow the user to choose from hundred more package-configurations. Similar slow startup. Majority impact on spacemacs startup is the regular search for package updates. Without it the startup-time is relative tame, though there is of course some place for improvment if you aim for <1 sec-startups.
akashakya 8y ago
Have you tried doom-emacs? https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs It has an insane startup speed! I tried once and it opened within a second. I'm not an evil user myself, so don't know about the vim compatibility. If you are interested in making the startup faster, check https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/wiki/FAQ#how-is-dooms-startup-so-fast https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/wiki/FAQ#how-is-dooms... from the same author