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Setup an old faishoned IRC server?

by __sr__ 8y ago

__sr__ 8y ago
There is also Zulip (https://zulipchat.com https://zulipchat.com)
- dijit 8y ago
  Or matrix/riot?
- solatic 8y ago
  Zulip actually seems to tick a lot of boxes for us, I'll see about bringing it in and spinning it up on a box. Thanks for the recommendation!
  - codezero 8y ago
    The threading concept in Zulip works really well. I haven't used it for work, but I would love to.
  - __sr__ 8y ago
    Happy to help! Disclaimer: I am not associated with Zulip in any way.
paranoidrobot 8y ago
One of the main benefits of Slack (to me, at least) is persistence, which you don't get from IRC. If I'm not connected to Slack, or even a member of a Slack channel - I can connect/join the channel and be able to get all of the history back to the beginning of the channel (or whatever Slack's limitation is). This makes it very easy to jump into the middle of a conversation and not worry you've missed some important context.
- bluedino 8y ago
  Persistence can be created the the right proxy/helper and clients
  - insertnickname 8y ago
    As much as I love IRC, this argument seems to me to not be that different from the "just use rsync/ftp" Dropbox argument. There is this IRCv3 extension proposal, though: https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/292 https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/292
    - wuliwong 8y ago
      I agree. I think it's just normal, human self-centeredness. Because it's easy to them it's easy. I work with 95% non-technical people. They aren't going to tackle the problem of IRC persistence on mobile devices when they can just use Slack. :)
  - rspeer 8y ago
    This is a common refrain of IRC users who don't know what it's like to have real, convenient persistence that works for everyone. Nobody has made persistent IRC channels that are as usable as newer chat products that don't try to be IRC.
    - dom96 8y ago
      BNCs provide a semblance of persistence. But the real problem with IRC is smartphone persistence, I think irccloud is the only service that solves this. But alas, it isn't free. So can this be solved for free? Is it even a good idea to solve it?
      - plett 8y ago
        thelounge is an web based IRC client with persistence like irccloud, except that thelounge is open source and self-hosted. https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/
- u801e 8y ago
  Years ago, my company used an internally hosted XMPP server. When you joined a group chat from another client, it would replay messages that were sent while you weren't connected (or possibly some fixed time period of messages).
  - nyconyco 8y ago
    That is the MUC room lastest messages logs. When you disconnect+reconnect fast you have them all the time. With Nayego, we are working on that. https://nayego.net/ https://nayego.net/ you can subscribe if you want to see the preview.
h1d 8y ago
Protocol is way too outdated. Sharing files is already difficult.

Setup an old faishoned IRC server?

by __sr__ 8y ago

Setup an old faishoned IRC server?

__sr__ 8y ago

There is also Zulip (https://zulipchat.com https://zulipchat.com)

dijit 8y ago
Or matrix/riot?
solatic 8y ago
Zulip actually seems to tick a lot of boxes for us, I'll see about bringing it in and spinning it up on a box. Thanks for the recommendation!
- codezero 8y ago
  The threading concept in Zulip works really well. I haven't used it for work, but I would love to.
- __sr__ 8y ago
  Happy to help! Disclaimer: I am not associated with Zulip in any way.

paranoidrobot 8y ago

One of the main benefits of Slack (to me, at least) is persistence, which you don't get from IRC. If I'm not connected to Slack, or even a member of a Slack channel - I can connect/join the channel and be able to get all of the history back to the beginning of the channel (or whatever Slack's limitation is). This makes it very easy to jump into the middle of a conversation and not worry you've missed some important context.

bluedino 8y ago
Persistence can be created the the right proxy/helper and clients
- insertnickname 8y ago
  As much as I love IRC, this argument seems to me to not be that different from the "just use rsync/ftp" Dropbox argument. There is this IRCv3 extension proposal, though: https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/292 https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/292
  - wuliwong 8y ago
    I agree. I think it's just normal, human self-centeredness. Because it's easy to them it's easy. I work with 95% non-technical people. They aren't going to tackle the problem of IRC persistence on mobile devices when they can just use Slack. :)
- rspeer 8y ago
  This is a common refrain of IRC users who don't know what it's like to have real, convenient persistence that works for everyone. Nobody has made persistent IRC channels that are as usable as newer chat products that don't try to be IRC.
  - dom96 8y ago
    BNCs provide a semblance of persistence. But the real problem with IRC is smartphone persistence, I think irccloud is the only service that solves this. But alas, it isn't free. So can this be solved for free? Is it even a good idea to solve it?
    - plett 8y ago
      thelounge is an web based IRC client with persistence like irccloud, except that thelounge is open source and self-hosted. https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/
u801e 8y ago
Years ago, my company used an internally hosted XMPP server. When you joined a group chat from another client, it would replay messages that were sent while you weren't connected (or possibly some fixed time period of messages).
- nyconyco 8y ago
  That is the MUC room lastest messages logs. When you disconnect+reconnect fast you have them all the time. With Nayego, we are working on that. https://nayego.net/ https://nayego.net/ you can subscribe if you want to see the preview.

h1d 8y ago

Protocol is way too outdated. Sharing files is already difficult.