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To answer your second question, of course it has. I don’t understand your first question? Those anti-EU stories were lies pure and simple - all the references

by derriz 8y ago

To answer your second question, of course it has. I don’t understand your first question? Those anti-EU stories were lies pure and simple - all the references are provided on the linked site. Are you in favour of the media publishing lies in order to advance a political viewpoint?

growlist 8y ago
If the EU were not already loathed by some the stories would find no audience, is my belief. For example, I met a plasterer who said that immigrants were destroying his livelihood by working for peanuts. If I were him I'd probably blame the EU also. But I also think the result was seen as an opportunity to send a general two fingered FU to the establishment, both UK and EU - I don't think the coordinated FUD and Obama etc did Remain any favours whatsoever. Surely better to take the high ground and rhapsodise our fantastic future in the EU? Remain chose not to do that.
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Outside of regular hit pieces in the Daily Mail and Telegraph there's little real awareness of the EU in the UK. The EU haven't been especially good at getting the message about their successes out. The little we do see is an occasional news piece about a joint venture or a little EU flag on some region's signage because they received development funding. The irony that some of the most resounding leave votes were in regions heavily supported by EU funds was not lost on me. Clearly the UK governments hadn't been doing enough for the people in those regions or they'd not have have been eligible for that support. Clearly the message that the EU was trying to help didn't get to the people concerned. Both sides lied, both sides ran terrible negative campaigns. No one anywhere seemed to promote the EU as being good in any respect - just it's least worst. Only leave chose to pander to xenophobics, closet racists and suggest a FU to the establishment at every opportunity.
  - growlist 8y ago
    To an extent I think the whole thing is borderline unknowable and inseparable from political leanings, so I bid you goodnight Sir.

by derriz 8y ago

growlist 8y ago

If the EU were not already loathed by some the stories would find no audience, is my belief. For example, I met a plasterer who said that immigrants were destroying his livelihood by working for peanuts. If I were him I'd probably blame the EU also. But I also think the result was seen as an opportunity to send a general two fingered FU to the establishment, both UK and EU - I don't think the coordinated FUD and Obama etc did Remain any favours whatsoever. Surely better to take the high ground and rhapsodise our fantastic future in the EU? Remain chose not to do that.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Outside of regular hit pieces in the Daily Mail and Telegraph there's little real awareness of the EU in the UK. The EU haven't been especially good at getting the message about their successes out. The little we do see is an occasional news piece about a joint venture or a little EU flag on some region's signage because they received development funding. The irony that some of the most resounding leave votes were in regions heavily supported by EU funds was not lost on me. Clearly the UK governments hadn't been doing enough for the people in those regions or they'd not have have been eligible for that support. Clearly the message that the EU was trying to help didn't get to the people concerned. Both sides lied, both sides ran terrible negative campaigns. No one anywhere seemed to promote the EU as being good in any respect - just it's least worst. Only leave chose to pander to xenophobics, closet racists and suggest a FU to the establishment at every opportunity.
- growlist 8y ago
  To an extent I think the whole thing is borderline unknowable and inseparable from political leanings, so I bid you goodnight Sir.