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Jira was great, ~15 years ago. It was a tool that actually helped development, especially with the GreenHopper plugin Now almost the entirety of its functional
by strictnein 8y ago
Jira was great, ~15 years ago. It was a tool that actually helped development, especially with the GreenHopper plugin
Now almost the entirety of its functionality is to help various middle managers track things that are important to them, while continuously making development slower. Manager 1 wants to track Metric A? Add a drop down. Manager 2 wants to track Metric B? Add a new form to fill out. And tie them all together with workflows so that you can't do your work and mark it as complete until all the boxes are checked and fields are filled.
Those that haven't experienced this probably just haven't worked in a medium or large corporation.
- andreineculau 8y ago> Now almost the entirety of its functionality is to help various middle managers track things that are important to them, while continuously making development slower. This!
- bitwize 8y agoHey, it could be worse. It could be VersionOne.
- strictnein 8y agoVersionOne has the advantage of being too clunky for middle managers to figure out.
- krzyk 8y agoV1 is too clunky to figure out by developers (or any human being for that matter) and looks like something designed in the 90-ties.
- linuxftw 8y ago> Those that haven't experienced this probably just haven't worked in a medium or large corporation. So true, though I expect that of the HN crowd (given it's hosted by YC). Everytime I hear someone praise Jira, I think "Do you have more than 100 people using the same instance?" Middle manage needs charts and reporting, and that's Jira's strength. It's an absolute disaster to use on a daily basis.
- tempestn 8y agoWe chose Pivotal Tracker over Jira because we didn't need all that stuff, and PT fit fairly well with our existing workflow. But... is the ability to do those things really a disadvantage? Seems more like a problem with the way these medium/large companies work than with the tool itself. If Jira didn't exist I don't think they'd use something like Pivotal and just do without all the tracking; they'd just have something ad hoc and unwieldy cobbled together instead.
- daigoba66 8y ago> Those that haven't experienced this probably just haven't worked in a medium or large corporation. It’s really an organizational problem, not the tool.