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What options are left for self-hosted chat systems with comparable features? We've been using self-hosted Hipchat at our company and there is zero chance we wil

by sc00ty 8y ago

What options are left for self-hosted chat systems with comparable features? We've been using self-hosted Hipchat at our company and there is zero chance we will ever use a cloud solution.

thedangler 8y ago
https://www.mattermost.org/ https://www.mattermost.org/
jamesfmilne 8y ago
We moved to RocketChat, which is gradually getting there.
derefr 8y ago
A Matrix.org server?
- nine_k 8y ago
  How easy it is to administer channels on Matrix? Like making team-private channels that can't be joined without approval?
  - snerbles 8y ago
    Channels default to unlisted and invite-only, and the per-channel permissions system is fine-grained. It's pretty simple to adjust permissions using Riot - I haven't tried it with the other clients, though.
zokier 8y ago
* Zulip https://zulipchat.com/ https://zulipchat.com/ * Rocket.chat https://rocket.chat/ https://rocket.chat/ * Mattermost https://mattermost.com/ https://mattermost.com/ * Riot/Matrix https://riot.im/ https://riot.im/ And XMPP is not completely dead, depends on what you mean "comparable features".
qabqabaca 8y ago
Out of interest, why would you guys never use a cloud solution? Sensitive conversations? Server reliability?
- sc00ty 8y ago
  Management doesn't trust externally-hosted solutions with our IP. This expands beyond chat applications as well.
- Walkman 8y ago
  For example when a company acquires another, your workflows will be broken, you are forced to move and learn the new tool and you have no control over YOUR OWN data at all.
  - Karunamon 8y ago
    Like when you buy a product that seems solid and then have to scramble to find a replacement because it's being shut down out of nowhere? --Hipchat onprem user
callahad 8y ago
People I respect¹ seem to like Zulip (https://zulipchat.com/ https://zulipchat.com/), though I haven't used it myself. ¹: https://twitter.com/b0rk/status/986444234365521920 https://twitter.com/b0rk/status/986444234365521920
- jdormit 8y ago
  Zulip on the desktop is a great experience. Unfortunately their Android app is pretty much unusable, which is a non-starter for me.
  - tabbott 8y ago
    (I lead the Zulip project) When did you last try Zulip on Android? I agree it was pretty much unusable in 2017, but everyone who actively uses it agrees it's improved a lot in recent months (I use it every single day, and have a good experience using it to get my work done). The mobile apps remain our top engineering focus area, since they're certainly far behind the desktop experience's level of polish, but we've generally stopped hearing new users describe them as "unusable". I should also mention that Zulip's threading model makes the experience of replying to a conversation when you get back to your computer feel great, which isn't true for any other chat tool. You don't have to be glued to your keyboard/phone in order to communicate effectively or avoid missing out on participating in important conversations, and I can't emphasize enough how much better this makes life. That doesn't eliminate the value of mobile (as I said, this is our top focus area right now), but it's a big part of why people love Zulip today, despite the mobile experience being way behind the desktop experience.
edhelas 8y ago
Did you tried Movim? It's a web based XMPP platform. * Self-hosted (simple web application), a Docker image is available, Debian package incoming * Chatrooms and one to one chat with file sharing, embeded pictures, administration, discoverability, message editing, archives management, synchronisation between devices * Post publication in Communities and personnal accounts * Compatible with XMPP transports and services like Biboumi to bridge it with IRC * Responsive so it fit on your desktop and your mobile (the UI is also fully in sync between your devices) * Video-conferencing (one to one) * and many other things… You can check it on https://movim.eu/ https://movim.eu/ and give it a try :) P.S.: I'm the maintainer of the project
Zash 8y ago
Check out http://inverse.chat/ http://inverse.chat/

by sc00ty 8y ago

What options are left for self-hosted chat systems with comparable features? We've been using self-hosted Hipchat at our company and there is zero chance we will ever use a cloud solution.

thedangler 8y ago

https://www.mattermost.org/ https://www.mattermost.org/

jamesfmilne 8y ago

We moved to RocketChat, which is gradually getting there.

derefr 8y ago

A Matrix.org server?

nine_k 8y ago
How easy it is to administer channels on Matrix? Like making team-private channels that can't be joined without approval?
- snerbles 8y ago
  Channels default to unlisted and invite-only, and the per-channel permissions system is fine-grained. It's pretty simple to adjust permissions using Riot - I haven't tried it with the other clients, though.

zokier 8y ago

* Zulip https://zulipchat.com/ https://zulipchat.com/ * Rocket.chat https://rocket.chat/ https://rocket.chat/ * Mattermost https://mattermost.com/ https://mattermost.com/ * Riot/Matrix https://riot.im/ https://riot.im/ And XMPP is not completely dead, depends on what you mean "comparable features".

qabqabaca 8y ago

Out of interest, why would you guys never use a cloud solution? Sensitive conversations? Server reliability?

sc00ty 8y ago
Management doesn't trust externally-hosted solutions with our IP. This expands beyond chat applications as well.
Walkman 8y ago
For example when a company acquires another, your workflows will be broken, you are forced to move and learn the new tool and you have no control over YOUR OWN data at all.
- Karunamon 8y ago
  Like when you buy a product that seems solid and then have to scramble to find a replacement because it's being shut down out of nowhere? --Hipchat onprem user

callahad 8y ago

People I respect¹ seem to like Zulip (https://zulipchat.com/ https://zulipchat.com/), though I haven't used it myself. ¹: https://twitter.com/b0rk/status/986444234365521920 https://twitter.com/b0rk/status/986444234365521920

jdormit 8y ago
Zulip on the desktop is a great experience. Unfortunately their Android app is pretty much unusable, which is a non-starter for me.
- tabbott 8y ago
  (I lead the Zulip project) When did you last try Zulip on Android? I agree it was pretty much unusable in 2017, but everyone who actively uses it agrees it's improved a lot in recent months (I use it every single day, and have a good experience using it to get my work done). The mobile apps remain our top engineering focus area, since they're certainly far behind the desktop experience's level of polish, but we've generally stopped hearing new users describe them as "unusable". I should also mention that Zulip's threading model makes the experience of replying to a conversation when you get back to your computer feel great, which isn't true for any other chat tool. You don't have to be glued to your keyboard/phone in order to communicate effectively or avoid missing out on participating in important conversations, and I can't emphasize enough how much better this makes life. That doesn't eliminate the value of mobile (as I said, this is our top focus area right now), but it's a big part of why people love Zulip today, despite the mobile experience being way behind the desktop experience.

edhelas 8y ago

Did you tried Movim? It's a web based XMPP platform. * Self-hosted (simple web application), a Docker image is available, Debian package incoming * Chatrooms and one to one chat with file sharing, embeded pictures, administration, discoverability, message editing, archives management, synchronisation between devices * Post publication in Communities and personnal accounts * Compatible with XMPP transports and services like Biboumi to bridge it with IRC * Responsive so it fit on your desktop and your mobile (the UI is also fully in sync between your devices) * Video-conferencing (one to one) * and many other things… You can check it on https://movim.eu/ https://movim.eu/ and give it a try :) P.S.: I'm the maintainer of the project

Zash 8y ago

Check out http://inverse.chat/ http://inverse.chat/