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Gender identity is one thing, power to you, but at the point we start to let males compete in females sport we've lost our minds. How do we make it fair? Is it

Gender identity is one thing, power to you, but at the point we start to let males compete in females sport we've lost our minds. How do we make it fair? Is it sufficient to lower T to get rid of the advantage? What about females who naturally have higher T levels? What if, shockingly /s, bone density and height are relevant as an advantage in some sports? God, I hate even thinking about it. Transgender rights > Female rights, with the harm going to female athletes. How unsurprisingly sexist.

ccozan 8y ago
I am actually a fan from Serena, but could not hide the fact that she might have a slight advantage....
- morgtheborg 8y ago
  That woman is an Amazon, and I love her for it. I'm happy to celebrate a female that is uniquely physically excellent in terms of strength, coordination, etc. There's hardly anything unique about a born male being physically more capable than a born female, however, and I have no interest in celebrating it within the context of female sporting events.
empthought 8y ago
The world record women's 800m time is surpassed regularly by high school boys.
belorn 8y ago
We already have that problem with genetics interfering with sports. Height has a strong correlation in basketball, and blood levels with endurance sport. Weight and height are used to limit unfair competition in horse racing and boxing. So one way to keep our minds and still eliminating segregated women and men sport is to segregate based on other attributes that correlate to an unfair advantage, just like those examples above.
- morgtheborg 8y ago
  I'm cool with that as well. Happy as a clam if we want to start making a bunch of sport distinctions around advantages such as height, T, bone density, etc. However, until we do so, the problem remains that there are clearly advantages physically to being a man and that is why we have male and female sporting events. That distinction doesn't magically go away because someone does not identify with their gender. The division isn't about gender, it's about sex.
  - belorn 8y ago
    While we are in an agreement on optimal solution, I don't see why we need to wait. We still have NBL running, and the average hight for men there is about 1 foot (30cm) more. Similar, there were a study rather recently that looked at winter OS winners and found that about 80% of them had blood levels that represented (if I get the zeros right) 1/1000000 chance of naturally occurring. OS is not being put on hold. Those problems have remained for a very long time and yet we have done very little to remove those clear unfair advantages. What should we do until we fix them? I prefer common solution to similar issues so what ever fix that is deemed acceptable should be usable for all form of genetic advantages, and it would likely resolve a bunch of doping problems at the same time.

ccozan 8y ago

I am actually a fan from Serena, but could not hide the fact that she might have a slight advantage....

morgtheborg 8y ago
That woman is an Amazon, and I love her for it. I'm happy to celebrate a female that is uniquely physically excellent in terms of strength, coordination, etc. There's hardly anything unique about a born male being physically more capable than a born female, however, and I have no interest in celebrating it within the context of female sporting events.

empthought 8y ago

The world record women's 800m time is surpassed regularly by high school boys.

belorn 8y ago

We already have that problem with genetics interfering with sports. Height has a strong correlation in basketball, and blood levels with endurance sport. Weight and height are used to limit unfair competition in horse racing and boxing. So one way to keep our minds and still eliminating segregated women and men sport is to segregate based on other attributes that correlate to an unfair advantage, just like those examples above.

morgtheborg 8y ago
I'm cool with that as well. Happy as a clam if we want to start making a bunch of sport distinctions around advantages such as height, T, bone density, etc. However, until we do so, the problem remains that there are clearly advantages physically to being a man and that is why we have male and female sporting events. That distinction doesn't magically go away because someone does not identify with their gender. The division isn't about gender, it's about sex.
- belorn 8y ago
  While we are in an agreement on optimal solution, I don't see why we need to wait. We still have NBL running, and the average hight for men there is about 1 foot (30cm) more. Similar, there were a study rather recently that looked at winter OS winners and found that about 80% of them had blood levels that represented (if I get the zeros right) 1/1000000 chance of naturally occurring. OS is not being put on hold. Those problems have remained for a very long time and yet we have done very little to remove those clear unfair advantages. What should we do until we fix them? I prefer common solution to similar issues so what ever fix that is deemed acceptable should be usable for all form of genetic advantages, and it would likely resolve a bunch of doping problems at the same time.