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No, the equivalent here would be saying "vote for me or my opponent will force a stranger into your house". The ads are lies targeted at people whose xenophobia

No, the equivalent here would be saying "vote for me or my opponent will force a stranger into your house". The ads are lies targeted at people whose xenophobia is stronger than their grip on the facts.

oh_sigh 8y ago
Wouldn't turkey joining the EU mean that Turkish citizens would have the right to freely emigrate to the UK?
- Xylakant 8y ago
  That would be one of the consequences, yes. However, Turkey isn’t even remotely close to joining the EU and given the current political situation in Turkey I would not expect talks to move forward any time soon. So pretending there’s even a remote chance is disingenuous. It uses fears of foreigner not founded in reality. That’s pretty much the definition of xenophobic.
  - googlryas 8y ago
    Which goes back to the original point. You don't need to be afraid of foreigners to not want them emigrating into your country en-masse(or, have the free option to should they be willing to take it). Just like you don't need to be afraid of strangers or anti-social to not want strangers to live in your house.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      > You don't need to be afraid of foreigners to not want them emigrating into your country en-masse Actually, you do - because otherwise what is your objection to them? Compare with free movement within countries; it would be obviously prejudiced to say e.g. "I don't want Scousers moving to London", and that's not a position which anyone is going to take seriously.
  - tomp 8y ago
    EU promised Turkey that the talks would continue, in exchange Turkey would keep immigrants at bay. So either the fear is more justified than you portray it to be, or EU is at least as hypocritical as you portray Vote Leave to be.
    - oblio 8y ago
      The UK can just block them. Any EU member can block accession. Indefinitely.
    - Xylakant 8y ago
      The talks have been ongoing for a decade now. Few parts of the talks have been finished, many haven’t even started. And seriously, if Turkey ever comes around to fulfilling all of the requirements, it will have to become a very different country than it is today. Yes, talks are ongoing and some reason for that is politics - the talks are one of the ways the EU can influence turkish politics. Some of that is quite open, some of it may be hypocritical. But Vote Leave is peddling xenophobia, which is quite a different accusation.
      - tomp 8y ago
        > But Vote Leave is peddling xenophobia, which is quite a different accusation. Well we've listed many arguments counter your claim in this thread already, so I guess if you haven't been convinced yet, you won't be...
WillPostForFood 8y ago
What specifically is the lie?

oh_sigh 8y ago

Wouldn't turkey joining the EU mean that Turkish citizens would have the right to freely emigrate to the UK?

Xylakant 8y ago
That would be one of the consequences, yes. However, Turkey isn’t even remotely close to joining the EU and given the current political situation in Turkey I would not expect talks to move forward any time soon. So pretending there’s even a remote chance is disingenuous. It uses fears of foreigner not founded in reality. That’s pretty much the definition of xenophobic.
- googlryas 8y ago
  Which goes back to the original point. You don't need to be afraid of foreigners to not want them emigrating into your country en-masse(or, have the free option to should they be willing to take it). Just like you don't need to be afraid of strangers or anti-social to not want strangers to live in your house.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    > You don't need to be afraid of foreigners to not want them emigrating into your country en-masse Actually, you do - because otherwise what is your objection to them? Compare with free movement within countries; it would be obviously prejudiced to say e.g. "I don't want Scousers moving to London", and that's not a position which anyone is going to take seriously.
- tomp 8y ago
  EU promised Turkey that the talks would continue, in exchange Turkey would keep immigrants at bay. So either the fear is more justified than you portray it to be, or EU is at least as hypocritical as you portray Vote Leave to be.
  - oblio 8y ago
    The UK can just block them. Any EU member can block accession. Indefinitely.
  - Xylakant 8y ago
    The talks have been ongoing for a decade now. Few parts of the talks have been finished, many haven’t even started. And seriously, if Turkey ever comes around to fulfilling all of the requirements, it will have to become a very different country than it is today. Yes, talks are ongoing and some reason for that is politics - the talks are one of the ways the EU can influence turkish politics. Some of that is quite open, some of it may be hypocritical. But Vote Leave is peddling xenophobia, which is quite a different accusation.
    - tomp 8y ago
      > But Vote Leave is peddling xenophobia, which is quite a different accusation. Well we've listed many arguments counter your claim in this thread already, so I guess if you haven't been convinced yet, you won't be...

WillPostForFood 8y ago

What specifically is the lie?