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That is the usual refrain from the "die techie scum" SF denizens: "go back to the suburbs!" Unfortunately the suburbs are now hostile too: https://www.nbcbayar

That is the usual refrain from the "die techie scum" SF denizens: "go back to the suburbs!" Unfortunately the suburbs are now hostile too: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/New-Facebook-Offices-Means-New-Business-for-Mountain-View-Restaurants-488948401.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/New-Facebook-Offices-M...

dunpeal 8y ago
MTV isn't "hostile" to tech. It just got greedy and is trying to get more out of its resident tech companies. "So we have all these big tech companies opening offices in our town... How do we get more out of them... Let's force their employees to buy their food in local stores by banning free food... Let's tax them a bit more..." Etc. This will work in the short term, especially when some of these rules only apply to new offices. It will fail on the long term, as more and more companies question the wisdom of setting up shops in the Valley and California in general, and move to locations with much lower tax and restrictions, such as Austin TX.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >It will fail on the long term, as more and more companies question the wisdom of setting up shops in the Valley and California in general, and move to locations with much lower tax and restrictions, such as Austin TX. But that will only last a decade or two before they turn Austin (or wherever) into SF 2.0 and all the business goes elsewhere.
  - dunpeal 8y ago
    > But that will only last a decade or two before they turn Austin (or wherever) into SF 2.0 and all the business goes elsewhere. I don't think local government in Texas is as amenable to well-meaning but ultimately intrusive and disruptive policies like in Northern California.
    - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
      By the time Austin is SF2.0 local government in Austin will be made up of all the same clowns that make up local government in SF. CA was like Texas once upon a time.
      - dunpeal 8y ago
        You think? In my opinion, it's the manifestation of the hippy culture of the 60s and 70s. California was never a hands-off state, never had the hands-off tradition that Texas had. I don't see any reason to expect that the same stuff would happen in TX.
        shiftpgdn 8y ago
        Austin was the hippy central of Texas until the tech boom.
        dunpeal 8y ago
        Different kind of hippies, I believe.
        almost_usual 8y ago
        Are you serious? California used to be an insane gun ridden free for all cowboy state. You could legally kidnap/shanghai someone up until 1915.
    - dmode 8y ago
      Texas government don't pass intrusive policies ? They literally passed a law that forces women to bury aborted fetus. I mean that is 100x more intrusive than cafeterias https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-texas-fetus-law-2017-576863 https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-texas-fetus-law-2017-57686...
- majormajor 8y ago
  > It will fail on the long term, as more and more companies question the wisdom of setting up shops in the Valley and California in general, and move to locations with much lower tax and restrictions, such as Austin TX. That sounds like a success from the perspective of folks who don't want their suburb to turn into SF or Manhattan?
  - dunpeal 8y ago
    If they don't want their suburb to turn into SF or Manhattan, then they're definitely taking the wrong turn by introducing this legislation. Instead of a suburban office location, they are actively encouraging urbanization: more restaurants, more commercial spaces in general, more residents. Moreover, all these tech campuses represent the majority of the richest residents of suburbs like MTV, and the main reason they are rich and have good schools etc. It would be very odd if the community as a whole wanted all that gone, especially when techies are a large part of the community. Finally, if MTV wanted to repel tech, there are much more effective ways to do that with legislation. For example, they could apply the legislation to existing offices. So no, I don't believe this is part of some campaign to avert MTV turning into "Manhattan", which is not something that can happen in the foreseeable future anyway.
ducttapecrown 8y ago
You just linked to an article discussing exactly the same situation that the post's article discusses.

dunpeal 8y ago

MTV isn't "hostile" to tech. It just got greedy and is trying to get more out of its resident tech companies. "So we have all these big tech companies opening offices in our town... How do we get more out of them... Let's force their employees to buy their food in local stores by banning free food... Let's tax them a bit more..." Etc. This will work in the short term, especially when some of these rules only apply to new offices. It will fail on the long term, as more and more companies question the wisdom of setting up shops in the Valley and California in general, and move to locations with much lower tax and restrictions, such as Austin TX.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>It will fail on the long term, as more and more companies question the wisdom of setting up shops in the Valley and California in general, and move to locations with much lower tax and restrictions, such as Austin TX. But that will only last a decade or two before they turn Austin (or wherever) into SF 2.0 and all the business goes elsewhere.
- dunpeal 8y ago
  > But that will only last a decade or two before they turn Austin (or wherever) into SF 2.0 and all the business goes elsewhere. I don't think local government in Texas is as amenable to well-meaning but ultimately intrusive and disruptive policies like in Northern California.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    By the time Austin is SF2.0 local government in Austin will be made up of all the same clowns that make up local government in SF. CA was like Texas once upon a time.
    - dunpeal 8y ago
      You think? In my opinion, it's the manifestation of the hippy culture of the 60s and 70s. California was never a hands-off state, never had the hands-off tradition that Texas had. I don't see any reason to expect that the same stuff would happen in TX.
      - shiftpgdn 8y ago
        Austin was the hippy central of Texas until the tech boom.
        dunpeal 8y ago
        Different kind of hippies, I believe.
      - almost_usual 8y ago
        Are you serious? California used to be an insane gun ridden free for all cowboy state. You could legally kidnap/shanghai someone up until 1915.
  - dmode 8y ago
    Texas government don't pass intrusive policies ? They literally passed a law that forces women to bury aborted fetus. I mean that is 100x more intrusive than cafeterias https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-texas-fetus-law-2017-576863 https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-texas-fetus-law-2017-57686...
majormajor 8y ago
> It will fail on the long term, as more and more companies question the wisdom of setting up shops in the Valley and California in general, and move to locations with much lower tax and restrictions, such as Austin TX. That sounds like a success from the perspective of folks who don't want their suburb to turn into SF or Manhattan?
- dunpeal 8y ago
  If they don't want their suburb to turn into SF or Manhattan, then they're definitely taking the wrong turn by introducing this legislation. Instead of a suburban office location, they are actively encouraging urbanization: more restaurants, more commercial spaces in general, more residents. Moreover, all these tech campuses represent the majority of the richest residents of suburbs like MTV, and the main reason they are rich and have good schools etc. It would be very odd if the community as a whole wanted all that gone, especially when techies are a large part of the community. Finally, if MTV wanted to repel tech, there are much more effective ways to do that with legislation. For example, they could apply the legislation to existing offices. So no, I don't believe this is part of some campaign to avert MTV turning into "Manhattan", which is not something that can happen in the foreseeable future anyway.

ducttapecrown 8y ago

You just linked to an article discussing exactly the same situation that the post's article discusses.