> most importantly llvm + clang is actually open source (more open) via a MIT license instead of gpl. Being allowed to do more things isn't necessarily freedom

> most importantly llvm + clang is actually open source (more open) via a MIT license instead of gpl. Being allowed to do more things isn't necessarily freedom. For example, is a society where I can enslave people a freer society? I don't think so. The GPL protects the freedom of software /users/. I the same way that prohibiting slavery protects potential slaves, at the expense of limiting the actions of slavers. For example, when OS X used GCC all OS X users could get the full and exact source of the compiler their system used. Now that OS X uses LLVM that isn't the case. You can get something close but Apple includes proprietary changes.