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I think it's a step forward in that it's more integrated into the platform. Remember when TCP/IP used to be an add-on for an operating system? > managers at Ad

by rusk 8y ago

I think it's a step forward in that it's more integrated into the platform. Remember when TCP/IP used to be an add-on for an operating system? > managers at Adobe and Sun must be kicking themselves Both tried. As I recall Sun were blocked by Microsoft, and Flash was bundled as standard with Netscape from about 2001 onwards. Steve Jobs killed that stone-dead when he point-blank refused to support it on iDevices.

zaarn 8y ago
Flash on Mobiles was two sides, Adobe had a lot of difficulty to implement multi-touch correctly.
wlesieutre 8y ago
If the Mac version hadn’t been a crashy dumpster fire, Steve Jobs might not have done that. Flash on Macs was always mediocre.
- rusk 8y ago
  By blocking flash apps he increased the motivation for migration to native apps, so there was a sound commercial basis for this as well.
- Dolanator11 8y ago
  Macs have always been throttled frying pans. They sacrifice much performance for the sake of thinness and design. No wonder Flash always performed badly on mac devices.
  - rusk 8y ago
    Not always. They were great little machines 10 or so years ago.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    Nope. The current "form over function" mentality is definitely a post-Jobs and post-Flash thing.
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    You did see that the recent MBP throttling issue was a software bug and has been fixed, yes? Admittedly they could be clocked slightly higher if they were larger with better cooling, but they're by no means slow computers.
Ari_Ugwu 8y ago
Some companies have all the right ideas and for whatever reason still can't execute. Adobe AIR beat things like Electron and PhoneGap to market by years. IMHO the issue with Adobe is this insistence on 'open' still having various vary opinionated elements. Adobe Air for example had a lot of good ideas but still attempted to evangelize Flash and ActionScript. I _think_ MS is trying to pivot of that grave now with .NET Core. Time will tell if the Mono-to-Wasm or .NET Core Native projects have legs. I was so very excited about Adobe Air and wrote a production application with it in 2009. I _think_ a sweet spot for WASM data processing. The data visualization space should explode once I can with data in the browser at near native speed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR
- rusk 8y ago
  I remember trying to do stuff with Adobe AIR and it just felt like a collosal waste of time. As soon as you tried to do anything that interacted outside of their sandbox you were severely limited. I remember some guys did a hack called cairngorm that I looked at but it seemed quite cumbersome. Then there was support, I think it was only after a few years they just gave up and spun it off to Apache ... you need to stick at it longer than that to establish yourself ...
- Yoric 8y ago
  To be fair, AIR was not the first in the domain. Mozilla had XUL/XULRunner ~15 years ago, which could be used to quickly develop kick-ass cross-platform applications in JS (and is still, by and large, the base of Thunderbird and Firefox). Sun thought that they had something like that with Java Apps ~20 years ago, except they forgot to make installation and UX compelling, and the memory requirements were unacceptable for the time.
- vturner 8y ago
  Remember when Adobe AIR was going to come to Android? That would have been an amazing write once run anywhere experience.
  - pjmlp 8y ago

by rusk 8y ago

zaarn 8y ago

Flash on Mobiles was two sides, Adobe had a lot of difficulty to implement multi-touch correctly.

wlesieutre 8y ago

If the Mac version hadn’t been a crashy dumpster fire, Steve Jobs might not have done that. Flash on Macs was always mediocre.

rusk 8y ago
By blocking flash apps he increased the motivation for migration to native apps, so there was a sound commercial basis for this as well.
Dolanator11 8y ago
Macs have always been throttled frying pans. They sacrifice much performance for the sake of thinness and design. No wonder Flash always performed badly on mac devices.
- rusk 8y ago
  Not always. They were great little machines 10 or so years ago.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Nope. The current "form over function" mentality is definitely a post-Jobs and post-Flash thing.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  You did see that the recent MBP throttling issue was a software bug and has been fixed, yes? Admittedly they could be clocked slightly higher if they were larger with better cooling, but they're by no means slow computers.

Ari_Ugwu 8y ago

Some companies have all the right ideas and for whatever reason still can't execute. Adobe AIR beat things like Electron and PhoneGap to market by years. IMHO the issue with Adobe is this insistence on 'open' still having various vary opinionated elements. Adobe Air for example had a lot of good ideas but still attempted to evangelize Flash and ActionScript. I _think_ MS is trying to pivot of that grave now with .NET Core. Time will tell if the Mono-to-Wasm or .NET Core Native projects have legs. I was so very excited about Adobe Air and wrote a production application with it in 2009. I _think_ a sweet spot for WASM data processing. The data visualization space should explode once I can with data in the browser at near native speed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR

rusk 8y ago
I remember trying to do stuff with Adobe AIR and it just felt like a collosal waste of time. As soon as you tried to do anything that interacted outside of their sandbox you were severely limited. I remember some guys did a hack called cairngorm that I looked at but it seemed quite cumbersome. Then there was support, I think it was only after a few years they just gave up and spun it off to Apache ... you need to stick at it longer than that to establish yourself ...
Yoric 8y ago
To be fair, AIR was not the first in the domain. Mozilla had XUL/XULRunner ~15 years ago, which could be used to quickly develop kick-ass cross-platform applications in JS (and is still, by and large, the base of Thunderbird and Firefox). Sun thought that they had something like that with Java Apps ~20 years ago, except they forgot to make installation and UX compelling, and the memory requirements were unacceptable for the time.
vturner 8y ago
Remember when Adobe AIR was going to come to Android? That would have been an amazing write once run anywhere experience.
- pjmlp 8y ago