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Judgmental much? Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone, a whole generation? I personally have enjoyed using FB and Instagram. If you don't like it, don't u

by _cs2017_ 8y ago

Judgmental much? Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone, a whole generation? I personally have enjoyed using FB and Instagram. If you don't like it, don't use it. And don't tell me and other users that we are stupid or drug addicts.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
This is not being judgemental, this is factual based on scientific research (Facebook has even admitted as much). You could Google “Facebook harmful effects research” for several pages of citations.
- CamperBob2 8y ago
  Trouble is, every moral panic since the days of Aristotle has been accompanied by mountains of "harmful effects research." Video gaming, comic books, novels, TV, movies, any number of musical genres and trends... how much of this "research" ever pans out in the long run?
jnwatson 8y ago
Just like the opioid crisis, there is a point at which individual choices collectively impact society. I'm personally fine with someone shooting up in the privacy of their own home, but clearly something must be done when entire communities are affected. Facebook has shown a willingness to provide my country's adversaries a powerful tool to subvert the foundations of its society. Fomenting racial strife and spreading pernicious rumors is just the start of it. The country and the world would be a better place without Facebook.
- existencebox 8y ago
  Honest question; Why is _facebook_ the powerful tool, and not our populations inability to recognize the threat (misdirection, targeted messages, biased sources, etc) within it/think critically about it? To dismiss the nonsense like most people used to dismiss tabloids. Facebook obviously scales this up, but that is the nature of a modern connected world, whether we like it or not, and I'd rather give people the tools to navigate that than try to build a padded room, since there will _always_ be another Facebook. (And to fully undermine my own point, I _don't know if it's possible_ to give enough people these skills, but from a philosophy of personal empowerment and freedoms, the alternatives seem far less preferable) It sounds a lot like the drug war. The approach that DRUGS are the problem, as opposed to situations that lead users to abuse them in destructive ways, has lead to a very demonstrable half-century of ineffectual policy and violent/sad outcomes. I have not so entirely given up on ones ability to tread a path through this insanity, and am more worried of an escalating trend to put that responsibility in the hands of some gatekeeper as opposed to ones own agency as a sentient human. I don't even disagree with your final statement; I'd just want to see it come from rejection by the individual than mandate from on high.
  - beagle3 8y ago
    > Honest question; Why is _facebook_ the powerful tool, and not our populations inability to recognize the threat (misdirection, targeted messages, biased sources, etc) within it/think critically about it? > It sounds a lot like the drug war. The approach that DRUGS are the problem, "facebook" is not the drug; "http://facebook.com" http://facebook.com" is the drug, and that's not he problem. "Facebook Inc" is the problem, much like purdue pharma is a significant cause of the current heroin epidemic. And not, purdue has not been addressed either. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxycontin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxy...
- _cs2017_ 8y ago
  That's fair, there is some line beyond which personal choices affects the entire society so much that being judgmental is reasonable. (That said, not everyone in the world agrees that personal drug use is past that line - but that's besides the point.) But you draw your line way too aggressively. If merely using an online community like FB is something that you should decide for other people, there's very little personal choice left. I, for one, certainly wouldn't want to live in a society so judgmental over individual choice. I don't even mention the fact that FB is far less damaging, in any sense, then bad diet, lack of exercise, getting news from tabloids, trusting politicians, and arguably watching most the TV programs in this country. Now, if you told me you only discourage your own family or close friends from using FB, I'd think you're very reasonable -- just like you can discourage them from eating junk food and spending weekends on the couch. But by imposing your judgment on billions of people, you present a greater evil, IMHO, than the worst of the FB misdeeds.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  > Fomenting racial strife and spreading pernicious rumors is just the start of it. Not trying to justify Facebook's behaviour here but are you familiar with the tabloid press? Facebook certainly didn't invent this concept.
tdb7893 8y ago
I think the issue with the "don't like it, don't use it" is that it's specifically designed to be addicting. It's hard to say they aren't complicit in the harm when they designed it to be harmful (being addicted to Facebook isn't the worst thing to be addicted to but it's still harmful).
sergiotapia 8y ago
Here's a comment reply for your dopamine hit. You are an addict, you just don't realize it.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

This is not being judgemental, this is factual based on scientific research (Facebook has even admitted as much). You could Google “Facebook harmful effects research” for several pages of citations.

CamperBob2 8y ago
Trouble is, every moral panic since the days of Aristotle has been accompanied by mountains of "harmful effects research." Video gaming, comic books, novels, TV, movies, any number of musical genres and trends... how much of this "research" ever pans out in the long run?

jnwatson 8y ago

Just like the opioid crisis, there is a point at which individual choices collectively impact society. I'm personally fine with someone shooting up in the privacy of their own home, but clearly something must be done when entire communities are affected. Facebook has shown a willingness to provide my country's adversaries a powerful tool to subvert the foundations of its society. Fomenting racial strife and spreading pernicious rumors is just the start of it. The country and the world would be a better place without Facebook.

existencebox 8y ago
Honest question; Why is _facebook_ the powerful tool, and not our populations inability to recognize the threat (misdirection, targeted messages, biased sources, etc) within it/think critically about it? To dismiss the nonsense like most people used to dismiss tabloids. Facebook obviously scales this up, but that is the nature of a modern connected world, whether we like it or not, and I'd rather give people the tools to navigate that than try to build a padded room, since there will _always_ be another Facebook. (And to fully undermine my own point, I _don't know if it's possible_ to give enough people these skills, but from a philosophy of personal empowerment and freedoms, the alternatives seem far less preferable) It sounds a lot like the drug war. The approach that DRUGS are the problem, as opposed to situations that lead users to abuse them in destructive ways, has lead to a very demonstrable half-century of ineffectual policy and violent/sad outcomes. I have not so entirely given up on ones ability to tread a path through this insanity, and am more worried of an escalating trend to put that responsibility in the hands of some gatekeeper as opposed to ones own agency as a sentient human. I don't even disagree with your final statement; I'd just want to see it come from rejection by the individual than mandate from on high.
- beagle3 8y ago
  > Honest question; Why is _facebook_ the powerful tool, and not our populations inability to recognize the threat (misdirection, targeted messages, biased sources, etc) within it/think critically about it? > It sounds a lot like the drug war. The approach that DRUGS are the problem, "facebook" is not the drug; "http://facebook.com" http://facebook.com" is the drug, and that's not he problem. "Facebook Inc" is the problem, much like purdue pharma is a significant cause of the current heroin epidemic. And not, purdue has not been addressed either. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxycontin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxy...
_cs2017_ 8y ago
That's fair, there is some line beyond which personal choices affects the entire society so much that being judgmental is reasonable. (That said, not everyone in the world agrees that personal drug use is past that line - but that's besides the point.) But you draw your line way too aggressively. If merely using an online community like FB is something that you should decide for other people, there's very little personal choice left. I, for one, certainly wouldn't want to live in a society so judgmental over individual choice. I don't even mention the fact that FB is far less damaging, in any sense, then bad diet, lack of exercise, getting news from tabloids, trusting politicians, and arguably watching most the TV programs in this country. Now, if you told me you only discourage your own family or close friends from using FB, I'd think you're very reasonable -- just like you can discourage them from eating junk food and spending weekends on the couch. But by imposing your judgment on billions of people, you present a greater evil, IMHO, than the worst of the FB misdeeds.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> Fomenting racial strife and spreading pernicious rumors is just the start of it. Not trying to justify Facebook's behaviour here but are you familiar with the tabloid press? Facebook certainly didn't invent this concept.

tdb7893 8y ago

I think the issue with the "don't like it, don't use it" is that it's specifically designed to be addicting. It's hard to say they aren't complicit in the harm when they designed it to be harmful (being addicted to Facebook isn't the worst thing to be addicted to but it's still harmful).

sergiotapia 8y ago

Here's a comment reply for your dopamine hit. You are an addict, you just don't realize it.