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>Why should the harassers get to win... Well, I don't really see it as winning and losing. After all, you simply cannot win against crazy people. What's the ol

>Why should the harassers get to win... Well, I don't really see it as winning and losing. After all, you simply cannot win against crazy people. What's the old saying? About never getting in an argument with an idiot? My point I suppose (assuming I even have one) is why they would feel the need to stay, rather than just leaving. It didn't impact my life at all to delete my account, and I'm asking whether there were some development since that makes one NEED to stay. I know loads of people have accounts with FB, but the question I asked, and think they should be asking themselves is "why?"

s73v3r_ 8y ago
"Well, I don't really see it as winning and losing." But that's not really a position that has basis in reality. To those doing the harassing, getting the people they target off of social media is, for them, a win. "My point I suppose (assuming I even have one) is why they would feel the need to stay, rather than just leaving." Because they want to use FB and social media like everyone else is able to? "It didn't impact my life at all to delete my account" I'm glad for you, but you're not everyone. "and I'm asking whether there were some development since that makes one NEED to stay" NEED doesn't come into it at all. If they want to continue to use the platform, they should be able to without dealing with that kind of harassment, plain and simple. "but the question I asked, and think they should be asking themselves is "why?"" And I think you should ask yourself why that question has any bearing on the situation. Why they should have to consider whether they can continue to do the same things that most other members of society get to do.
- patient_zero 8y ago
  I get your point, people should be free from abuse. I agree. I am also asking something you cannot answer, namely "why do they need facebook?" Which is not even what they are saying in their letter to Zuck. That being said, you are coming off a bit aggressively. Perhaps I'm reading you wrong, but I'm asking a honest question and you are (it seems) just calling me selfish and thoughtless. These questions are not rhetorical, if that was unclear. Can you tell me please how you use facebook in your daily life personally and professionally? It may not have bearing on the greater discussion but I do want to know, as someone who hasn't used it in years.
  - haser_au 8y ago
    For the benefit of those who are off Facebook (each to their own), here's how I use it; - my mixed sport team has a group page, where we discuss the next game time, who can make it, etc. We don't need to Friend each other, or sign up to another service. We all have FB, so we just add/remove people very easily. Helps organise and track conversations easily. A new post each week, and everyone just comments on that. - my sister and brother live in other states of Australia. FB helps me see what they're up to (photos, videos especially). I call them regularly, so FB is just value-add. - I have a young (under 2) son, and keep most photos off him off FB. However, occasionally (once every 2-3 months) we will share something so people in our wider network can get an update. It's not for us, it's for them. - I have a lot of friends I met through a time in my life (university exchange overseas, growing up, living in different cities). FB is a very casual, easy way to stay in touch. The barrier to entry is very low (literally, just click the 'like' button on their post). - FB messenger: I use this a LOT. I also use SMS (via Signal), Hangouts and WhatsApp. Yes, they overlap considerably, but FB Messenger has the functionality, and critically the contacts, I need. Lots of group chats about different things (social events, family, etc.) and things like location sharing when I'm on my way home from work. I don't endlessly scroll through updates on my feed page, and I don't get my news from FB. If I read the feed page (with the updates from friends, etc.), about 50% of content is secondary (meaning someone has shared a viral video, or something) and the other 50% is original content (holiday photos, though of the day, etc.). Can all of the above be done on systems other than FB, yes. Do other systems have the low barrier to entry now that all of my friends are on FB, no. [Edit] Formatting
    - patient_zero 8y ago
      sounds like you can still get a lot of value from it, if you know how to use it properly. there's still too much noise to filter (for me) in the news feed from what you say, if half of it is stale memes and stuff. cheers and thanks for the explanation.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    "I am also asking something you cannot answer, namely "why do they need facebook?"" Because they want to be on there. Maybe they have family on there. Whatever their reason, IT DOES NOT MATTER. "That being said, you are coming off a bit aggressively. " Because I am sooooooo tired of seeing people like you rush to blame the victim, in this case, put the blame on these people for still being on Facebook, rather than on the people that are actually doing the harassing, or Facebook for enabling it. "Perhaps I'm reading you wrong, but I'm asking a honest question and you are (it seems) just calling me selfish and thoughtless." And I really don't think you are. Why on earth should it matter at all if they do or do not have a concrete "need" to be on Facebook? Why is blaming the victim an acceptable tactic? "Can you tell me please how you use facebook in your daily life personally and professionally? It may not have bearing on the greater discussion but I do want to know, as someone who hasn't used it in years." I personally don't, but I'm not going to sit on my high horse and go, "You don't really need Facebook." when someone has a serious problem like these people do.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

"Well, I don't really see it as winning and losing." But that's not really a position that has basis in reality. To those doing the harassing, getting the people they target off of social media is, for them, a win. "My point I suppose (assuming I even have one) is why they would feel the need to stay, rather than just leaving." Because they want to use FB and social media like everyone else is able to? "It didn't impact my life at all to delete my account" I'm glad for you, but you're not everyone. "and I'm asking whether there were some development since that makes one NEED to stay" NEED doesn't come into it at all. If they want to continue to use the platform, they should be able to without dealing with that kind of harassment, plain and simple. "but the question I asked, and think they should be asking themselves is "why?"" And I think you should ask yourself why that question has any bearing on the situation. Why they should have to consider whether they can continue to do the same things that most other members of society get to do.

patient_zero 8y ago
I get your point, people should be free from abuse. I agree. I am also asking something you cannot answer, namely "why do they need facebook?" Which is not even what they are saying in their letter to Zuck. That being said, you are coming off a bit aggressively. Perhaps I'm reading you wrong, but I'm asking a honest question and you are (it seems) just calling me selfish and thoughtless. These questions are not rhetorical, if that was unclear. Can you tell me please how you use facebook in your daily life personally and professionally? It may not have bearing on the greater discussion but I do want to know, as someone who hasn't used it in years.
- haser_au 8y ago
  For the benefit of those who are off Facebook (each to their own), here's how I use it; - my mixed sport team has a group page, where we discuss the next game time, who can make it, etc. We don't need to Friend each other, or sign up to another service. We all have FB, so we just add/remove people very easily. Helps organise and track conversations easily. A new post each week, and everyone just comments on that. - my sister and brother live in other states of Australia. FB helps me see what they're up to (photos, videos especially). I call them regularly, so FB is just value-add. - I have a young (under 2) son, and keep most photos off him off FB. However, occasionally (once every 2-3 months) we will share something so people in our wider network can get an update. It's not for us, it's for them. - I have a lot of friends I met through a time in my life (university exchange overseas, growing up, living in different cities). FB is a very casual, easy way to stay in touch. The barrier to entry is very low (literally, just click the 'like' button on their post). - FB messenger: I use this a LOT. I also use SMS (via Signal), Hangouts and WhatsApp. Yes, they overlap considerably, but FB Messenger has the functionality, and critically the contacts, I need. Lots of group chats about different things (social events, family, etc.) and things like location sharing when I'm on my way home from work. I don't endlessly scroll through updates on my feed page, and I don't get my news from FB. If I read the feed page (with the updates from friends, etc.), about 50% of content is secondary (meaning someone has shared a viral video, or something) and the other 50% is original content (holiday photos, though of the day, etc.). Can all of the above be done on systems other than FB, yes. Do other systems have the low barrier to entry now that all of my friends are on FB, no. [Edit] Formatting
  - patient_zero 8y ago
    sounds like you can still get a lot of value from it, if you know how to use it properly. there's still too much noise to filter (for me) in the news feed from what you say, if half of it is stale memes and stuff. cheers and thanks for the explanation.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  "I am also asking something you cannot answer, namely "why do they need facebook?"" Because they want to be on there. Maybe they have family on there. Whatever their reason, IT DOES NOT MATTER. "That being said, you are coming off a bit aggressively. " Because I am sooooooo tired of seeing people like you rush to blame the victim, in this case, put the blame on these people for still being on Facebook, rather than on the people that are actually doing the harassing, or Facebook for enabling it. "Perhaps I'm reading you wrong, but I'm asking a honest question and you are (it seems) just calling me selfish and thoughtless." And I really don't think you are. Why on earth should it matter at all if they do or do not have a concrete "need" to be on Facebook? Why is blaming the victim an acceptable tactic? "Can you tell me please how you use facebook in your daily life personally and professionally? It may not have bearing on the greater discussion but I do want to know, as someone who hasn't used it in years." I personally don't, but I'm not going to sit on my high horse and go, "You don't really need Facebook." when someone has a serious problem like these people do.