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Interesting to note that this is currently #2 on HN, while a discussion about fake news/free speech on Facebook was immediately flagged off the home page as soo

by untog 8y ago

Interesting to note that this is currently #2 on HN, while a discussion about fake news/free speech on Facebook was immediately flagged off the home page as soon as it arrived: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17613810 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17613810 I'd be curious to hear from those who flagged that Facebook story and not this one: why is that one inappropriate for HN and this one fine?

jmspring 8y ago
"Verified users should be able to post what ever they want" quoting someone from FB was a headline I recall flying by on multiple news sites today.
ageek123 8y ago
Because the thread you mentioned is about politics. Political discussion may be allowed on HN, but most people don't like them, as they're completely non-productive and just get everyone angry at each other.
- untog 8y ago
  Seems silly to think that politics goes away if you just don't talk about it. Facebook recently had an entire ad campaign around reducing the toxicity on the platform - surely a discussion of that has a place when talking about earnings or lack thereof.
  - hueving 8y ago
    >Seems silly to think that politics goes away if you just don't talk about it They go away from this platform, which is what matters. There are a million other platforms for everyone to share their shitty political propaganda, let's at least try to keep this one clean.
    - untog 8y ago
      I don't think you know what the word "propaganda" means. It's interesting which people share this problem.
      - hueving 8y ago
        I'm very aware of what it means. Most political discourse in the US is currently propaganda being exchanged by both sides with no intent of actually giving consideration of what the other side is saying. Go look at a comment thread on reddit on a news article about Trump if you'd like an example.
qubax 8y ago
I'm guessing because the one about fake news/free speech is political activism/propaganda? We've had nearly an entire year of that nonsense and I think most of us have grown tired of it already. Go to reddit if you enjoy propaganda. I hope we don't go back to the time where half of HN is facebook nonsense pushed by god knows whom.
- untog 8y ago
  What an absurd perspective. Talking about the toxicity that exists on Facebook's platform is "poltical activism", now? Or wait, sorry, "propaganda". If you haven't heard anyone you know complaining about the crap they see on Facebook then you're living in a bubble. FB even launched an entire ad campaign trying to apologize to users for it. Any conversation about Facebook's performance is incomplete without discussing it, whether or not you wish to shut it down by labelling it "propaganda".
  - qubax 8y ago
    > What an absurd perspective. So is spending your time ( paid or not ) spamming facebook propaganda. > Talking about the toxicity that exists on Facebook's platform is "poltical activism", now? Or wait, sorry, "propaganda". No. Talking about it is one thing. Spamming social media and prosletyizing about it is another. > If you haven't heard anyone you know complaining about the crap they see on Facebook then you're living in a bubble. Did you read my comment? I clearly stated that I have. "We've had nearly an entire year of that nonsense and I think most of us have grown tired of it already. Go to reddit if you enjoy propaganda." We've had facebook propaganda ( mostly anti ) spammed on HN for a year. Most of us are sick of it. Go to reddit if you want propaganda. > Any conversation about Facebook's performance is incomplete without discussing it, whether or not you wish to shut it down by labelling it "propaganda". Then discuss here? Why do we need an entire post dedicated specifically to that? Or are you just interested in spamming HN with anti-facebook posts? I'm glad the mods are filtering out facebook nonsense. It's been a long time coming. I don't want to go back to the time where half of HN was facebook propaganda. It was ridiculous. If you want to talk about FB performance, this is a fine post to do it in. Not sure why we need two posts on HN for the same discussion. Other than propaganda that is.
noncoml 8y ago
IMHO it's big news signifying a possible end of an era. We reached peak FB. What's next? Is it going to implode as fast as it exploded, or is it going to be another tech dinosaur dying slowly? The financial consequences will also be big. A lot of people have invested in FB, probably you too, through your 401k. Also imagine what will mean for the SF Bay Area a FB that is laying off or cutting down on expenses/compensation.
- mrep 8y ago
  > What's next? Reddit maybe since they have been exploding in growth. To me, it seems as though network effects are not as important as they seem as the businesses that rely most on them where fellow users provide all the content (myspace, facebook, twitter, snapchat, reddit...) rise and fall faster than any other company.
  - narrator 8y ago
    Reddit is committed to free speech and anonymity while Facebook is not.
    - mrep 8y ago
      I love reddit but they have banned many subreddits. Nobody has pure free speech not even the US (you cannot say bomb on an airplane nor threaten someone among many other things). Granted, we do have more free speech than most countries but not pure free speech (which I think is fare as my former 2 examples were cases that bring negative externalities upon others).
      - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        I know we've been over this on HN many times but "free speech" is more about freedom of the press than freedom to be a dick to other people or break the law. The banned subreddits I know of were either hate groups or pedophilia.
    - executesorder66 8y ago

by untog 8y ago

jmspring 8y ago

"Verified users should be able to post what ever they want" quoting someone from FB was a headline I recall flying by on multiple news sites today.

ageek123 8y ago

Because the thread you mentioned is about politics. Political discussion may be allowed on HN, but most people don't like them, as they're completely non-productive and just get everyone angry at each other.

untog 8y ago
Seems silly to think that politics goes away if you just don't talk about it. Facebook recently had an entire ad campaign around reducing the toxicity on the platform - surely a discussion of that has a place when talking about earnings or lack thereof.
- hueving 8y ago
  >Seems silly to think that politics goes away if you just don't talk about it They go away from this platform, which is what matters. There are a million other platforms for everyone to share their shitty political propaganda, let's at least try to keep this one clean.
  - untog 8y ago
    I don't think you know what the word "propaganda" means. It's interesting which people share this problem.
    - hueving 8y ago
      I'm very aware of what it means. Most political discourse in the US is currently propaganda being exchanged by both sides with no intent of actually giving consideration of what the other side is saying. Go look at a comment thread on reddit on a news article about Trump if you'd like an example.

qubax 8y ago

I'm guessing because the one about fake news/free speech is political activism/propaganda? We've had nearly an entire year of that nonsense and I think most of us have grown tired of it already. Go to reddit if you enjoy propaganda. I hope we don't go back to the time where half of HN is facebook nonsense pushed by god knows whom.

untog 8y ago
What an absurd perspective. Talking about the toxicity that exists on Facebook's platform is "poltical activism", now? Or wait, sorry, "propaganda". If you haven't heard anyone you know complaining about the crap they see on Facebook then you're living in a bubble. FB even launched an entire ad campaign trying to apologize to users for it. Any conversation about Facebook's performance is incomplete without discussing it, whether or not you wish to shut it down by labelling it "propaganda".
- qubax 8y ago
  > What an absurd perspective. So is spending your time ( paid or not ) spamming facebook propaganda. > Talking about the toxicity that exists on Facebook's platform is "poltical activism", now? Or wait, sorry, "propaganda". No. Talking about it is one thing. Spamming social media and prosletyizing about it is another. > If you haven't heard anyone you know complaining about the crap they see on Facebook then you're living in a bubble. Did you read my comment? I clearly stated that I have. "We've had nearly an entire year of that nonsense and I think most of us have grown tired of it already. Go to reddit if you enjoy propaganda." We've had facebook propaganda ( mostly anti ) spammed on HN for a year. Most of us are sick of it. Go to reddit if you want propaganda. > Any conversation about Facebook's performance is incomplete without discussing it, whether or not you wish to shut it down by labelling it "propaganda". Then discuss here? Why do we need an entire post dedicated specifically to that? Or are you just interested in spamming HN with anti-facebook posts? I'm glad the mods are filtering out facebook nonsense. It's been a long time coming. I don't want to go back to the time where half of HN was facebook propaganda. It was ridiculous. If you want to talk about FB performance, this is a fine post to do it in. Not sure why we need two posts on HN for the same discussion. Other than propaganda that is.

noncoml 8y ago

IMHO it's big news signifying a possible end of an era. We reached peak FB. What's next? Is it going to implode as fast as it exploded, or is it going to be another tech dinosaur dying slowly? The financial consequences will also be big. A lot of people have invested in FB, probably you too, through your 401k. Also imagine what will mean for the SF Bay Area a FB that is laying off or cutting down on expenses/compensation.

mrep 8y ago
> What's next? Reddit maybe since they have been exploding in growth. To me, it seems as though network effects are not as important as they seem as the businesses that rely most on them where fellow users provide all the content (myspace, facebook, twitter, snapchat, reddit...) rise and fall faster than any other company.
- narrator 8y ago
  Reddit is committed to free speech and anonymity while Facebook is not.
  - mrep 8y ago
    I love reddit but they have banned many subreddits. Nobody has pure free speech not even the US (you cannot say bomb on an airplane nor threaten someone among many other things). Granted, we do have more free speech than most countries but not pure free speech (which I think is fare as my former 2 examples were cases that bring negative externalities upon others).
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      I know we've been over this on HN many times but "free speech" is more about freedom of the press than freedom to be a dick to other people or break the law. The banned subreddits I know of were either hate groups or pedophilia.
  - executesorder66 8y ago