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This. The use case needs to fit Elixir so well that it makes up for the difficulty in hiring devs etc.

by tormeh 8y ago

the_duke 8y ago
Also, Elixir is a relatively small and simple language. Yes, it's functional, but it doesn't have a lot of complex concepts and is much easier to learn than , eg, Ocaml or Haskell. (at least in my opinion). A good dev should probably be productive within a week.
- arvinsim 8y ago
  Now if only we can find jobs that doesn't require extensive Elixir experience.
  - qaq 8y ago
    Hmm most don't? They do usually require Ruby though
- siscia 8y ago
  You seems quite optimistic for me. While is true that the local concepts are quite simple and that the language is quite small, how all those ideas play together create a very complex environment rarely seen outside the BEAM/Akka environment. I don't believe that good developers without prior experience in such systems can become productive in a week. They could be able to write code that compiles, but the week after that they are going to throw it all out and restart from scratch.
  - wwweston 8y ago
    > I don't believe that good developers without prior experience in such systems can become productive in a week. They could be able to write code that compiles, but the week after that they are going to throw it all out and restart from scratch. So.... pretty much like programming in the most popular languages, too. ;)
  - yawaramin 8y ago
    I have Akka experience. The Erlang system is vastly simplified compared to Akka just because you don't have to deal with: - Creating an actor system manually - Wrangling an ExecutionContext - Getting replies from actors in the form of `Future[SomeReply]` - Making sure you don't do blocking operations in basically any of the concurrency tools. Compared to doing all that, the Erlang/Elixir runtime can be explained to a newcomer quite simply–processes are cheap, start them up (e.g. Task, GenServer) and do whatever. The nuances can come in time. There is even https://elixirschool.com/en/ https://elixirschool.com/en/ for a crash course.

This. The use case needs to fit Elixir so well that it makes up for the difficulty in hiring devs etc.

by tormeh 8y ago

This. The use case needs to fit Elixir so well that it makes up for the difficulty in hiring devs etc.

Also, Elixir is a relatively small and simple language. Yes, it's functional, but it doesn't have a lot of complex concepts and is much easier to learn than , eg, Ocaml or Haskell. (at least in my opinion). A good dev should probably be productive within a week.

arvinsim 8y ago
Now if only we can find jobs that doesn't require extensive Elixir experience.
- qaq 8y ago
  Hmm most don't? They do usually require Ruby though
siscia 8y ago
You seems quite optimistic for me. While is true that the local concepts are quite simple and that the language is quite small, how all those ideas play together create a very complex environment rarely seen outside the BEAM/Akka environment. I don't believe that good developers without prior experience in such systems can become productive in a week. They could be able to write code that compiles, but the week after that they are going to throw it all out and restart from scratch.
- wwweston 8y ago
  > I don't believe that good developers without prior experience in such systems can become productive in a week. They could be able to write code that compiles, but the week after that they are going to throw it all out and restart from scratch. So.... pretty much like programming in the most popular languages, too. ;)
- yawaramin 8y ago
  I have Akka experience. The Erlang system is vastly simplified compared to Akka just because you don't have to deal with: - Creating an actor system manually - Wrangling an ExecutionContext - Getting replies from actors in the form of `Future[SomeReply]` - Making sure you don't do blocking operations in basically any of the concurrency tools. Compared to doing all that, the Erlang/Elixir runtime can be explained to a newcomer quite simply–processes are cheap, start them up (e.g. Task, GenServer) and do whatever. The nuances can come in time. There is even https://elixirschool.com/en/ https://elixirschool.com/en/ for a crash course.