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> “People will have to go out and (eat) lunch with the rest of us,” Aaron Peskin, a San Francisco supervisor who co-sponsored the proposal, told The San Francis

by koolba 8y ago

> “People will have to go out and (eat) lunch with the rest of us,” Aaron Peskin, a San Francisco supervisor who co-sponsored the proposal, told The San Francisco Examiner. I get what they're trying to do but this is silly. Good intentions tend to make terrible government policy. > However, the proposed ban would not affect the 51 employee cafeterias already in San Francisco, only future office buildings, “so it’s not goring anybody’s ox,” Peskin told the Examiner. Ha! So one more perk that only existing, large, entrenched players can offer. A level playing field indeed. > The nearby city of Mountain View recently barred a new Facebook office from offering free- or reduced-cost meals at its cafeteria, reported the Chronicle. Does this include ordering a pizza to a war room or is it specific to a separate structure for day to day dining?

dunpeal 8y ago
> Ha! So one more perk that only existing, large, entrenched players can offer. A level playing field indeed. Yup, this exemption makes this idea even worse. > Does this include ordering a pizza to a war room or is it specific to a separate structure for day to day dining? Per an article in Eater.com (https://www.eater.com/2018/7/23/17603424/facebook-mountain-view-ca-free-cafeteria-ban https://www.eater.com/2018/7/23/17603424/facebook-mountain-v...): > The rule — which was actually passed in 2014 — states that companies cannot routinely fund more than 50 percent of employees’ meals, but it can fully subsidize meals if they come from open-to-the-public restaurants. So the occasional pizza-in-the-war-room would be fine, but establishing their own cafeteria inside their complex that provides free food would be forbidden. This rule seems to allow them to routinely order-in from "open-to-the-public restaurants", however if none of the nearby restaurants offers food that is up to their standards - they're SOL. This rule is bad for employers and bad for their employees. There's no way you can get food catered from local restaurants that will match the quality of what Google cafes offer, especially health-wise: restaurants optimize for taste and cost, disregarding customer health as long as they don't serve outright poison. It's no coincidence that Google spends billions on sourcing their own employee food, and its competitors follow suite. The result would be that new offices in MTV won't be able to provide the same healthy food that Google has been offering for decades.
vmarshall23 8y ago
Amen. San Francisco is ground zero for well-intentioned, but ultimately awful public policy. Often these policies further make whatever problem they're trying to solve worse, because it gives the illusion that they've actually done something about it. I, as a 20 year SF resident, would much prefer Aaron Peskin do something about the feces and hypodermic needles before he worries about cafeterias.
- vmarshall23 8y ago
  Also, WTF, the last thing I'm worried about in SF is not having enough restaurants.
- dunpeal 8y ago
  > I, as a 20 year SF resident, would much prefer Aaron Peskin do something about the feces and hypodermic needles before he worries about cafeterias. But that would require him to deal with various unlawful behaviors and individuals! Much easier to pass some law, when you know law-abiding corporations will respect it.
somaldiego 8y ago
Here's an idea: San Francisco should ban restrooms in office buildings, so people will have to go out to urinate and defecate on the streets with the rest of us.

by koolba 8y ago

dunpeal 8y ago

> Ha! So one more perk that only existing, large, entrenched players can offer. A level playing field indeed. Yup, this exemption makes this idea even worse. > Does this include ordering a pizza to a war room or is it specific to a separate structure for day to day dining? Per an article in Eater.com (https://www.eater.com/2018/7/23/17603424/facebook-mountain-view-ca-free-cafeteria-ban https://www.eater.com/2018/7/23/17603424/facebook-mountain-v...): > The rule — which was actually passed in 2014 — states that companies cannot routinely fund more than 50 percent of employees’ meals, but it can fully subsidize meals if they come from open-to-the-public restaurants. So the occasional pizza-in-the-war-room would be fine, but establishing their own cafeteria inside their complex that provides free food would be forbidden. This rule seems to allow them to routinely order-in from "open-to-the-public restaurants", however if none of the nearby restaurants offers food that is up to their standards - they're SOL. This rule is bad for employers and bad for their employees. There's no way you can get food catered from local restaurants that will match the quality of what Google cafes offer, especially health-wise: restaurants optimize for taste and cost, disregarding customer health as long as they don't serve outright poison. It's no coincidence that Google spends billions on sourcing their own employee food, and its competitors follow suite. The result would be that new offices in MTV won't be able to provide the same healthy food that Google has been offering for decades.

vmarshall23 8y ago

Amen. San Francisco is ground zero for well-intentioned, but ultimately awful public policy. Often these policies further make whatever problem they're trying to solve worse, because it gives the illusion that they've actually done something about it. I, as a 20 year SF resident, would much prefer Aaron Peskin do something about the feces and hypodermic needles before he worries about cafeterias.

vmarshall23 8y ago
Also, WTF, the last thing I'm worried about in SF is not having enough restaurants.
dunpeal 8y ago
> I, as a 20 year SF resident, would much prefer Aaron Peskin do something about the feces and hypodermic needles before he worries about cafeterias. But that would require him to deal with various unlawful behaviors and individuals! Much easier to pass some law, when you know law-abiding corporations will respect it.

somaldiego 8y ago

Here's an idea: San Francisco should ban restrooms in office buildings, so people will have to go out to urinate and defecate on the streets with the rest of us.