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> various government entities including the Justice Dept. and the CIA, etc. were the ones taking advantage of the territorial immunity of the tribe concerned (i

> various government entities including the Justice Dept. and the CIA, etc. were the ones taking advantage of the territorial immunity of the tribe concerned (in various of the conspiracy scenarios) I'm sort of baffled by this. Kagama found that the US has plenary authority over tribes; they aren't sovereign states with regard to the US governmen. As far as I can tell that also means violations of federal law - even by the government - can't be shielded by tribal law no matter where they happen. I know you're not endorsing the conspiracy, but is there any chance you could clarify how this legal dodge was alleged to work?

ttctciyf 8y ago
So, bearing the non-endorsement caveat in mind.. :) One version was that the Cabazon immunity > made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. - from Michael Riconosciuto's affidavit in the Inslaw case, which can be found at http://www.larsschall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/RiconosciutoAffidavitINSLAWMarch1991.pdf http://www.larsschall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Riconos... The claims in this document were elaborated in various ways through the 90s and beyond by all shades of conspiracy-inclined folk, and I wouldn't put too much stock in any particular thing Riconosciuto says, let alone the elaborations of others, though the literature flowing from his various claims remains interesting to me personally.
- Bartweiss 8y ago
  Interesting, thanks very much. I guess "avoids manufacturing controls" is a bit more coherent than "you can buy and sell whatever you want on tribal land" since it's presumably about an agency regulation instead of directly violating a federal law. Still doesn't sound correct, but then again everything I'm finding about the Inslaw case says it's an absolute maze of craziness, in both the official version and the conspiracies. Thanks for some fun reading on a weird corner of history!
  - ttctciyf 8y ago
    > Thanks for some fun reading on a weird corner of history! Yeah, it would make a great basis for a movie / miniseries / 7 season flagship TV drama blockbuster.. ;) The really weird thing about it, I guess, is that in the original Inslaw complaint an actual judge actually ruled in an actual court case that the actual frickin' Justice Department illegally obtained software by "trickery fraud and deceit!" Anyway, muckrock.com has some sober and very well sourced and informed reading on the topic - the pages I linked are a sample of that - but of course it's the wilder end that would provide the best subplots in an adaptation.

ttctciyf 8y ago

So, bearing the non-endorsement caveat in mind.. :) One version was that the Cabazon immunity > made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. - from Michael Riconosciuto's affidavit in the Inslaw case, which can be found at http://www.larsschall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/RiconosciutoAffidavitINSLAWMarch1991.pdf http://www.larsschall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Riconos... The claims in this document were elaborated in various ways through the 90s and beyond by all shades of conspiracy-inclined folk, and I wouldn't put too much stock in any particular thing Riconosciuto says, let alone the elaborations of others, though the literature flowing from his various claims remains interesting to me personally.

Bartweiss 8y ago
Interesting, thanks very much. I guess "avoids manufacturing controls" is a bit more coherent than "you can buy and sell whatever you want on tribal land" since it's presumably about an agency regulation instead of directly violating a federal law. Still doesn't sound correct, but then again everything I'm finding about the Inslaw case says it's an absolute maze of craziness, in both the official version and the conspiracies. Thanks for some fun reading on a weird corner of history!
- ttctciyf 8y ago
  > Thanks for some fun reading on a weird corner of history! Yeah, it would make a great basis for a movie / miniseries / 7 season flagship TV drama blockbuster.. ;) The really weird thing about it, I guess, is that in the original Inslaw complaint an actual judge actually ruled in an actual court case that the actual frickin' Justice Department illegally obtained software by "trickery fraud and deceit!" Anyway, muckrock.com has some sober and very well sourced and informed reading on the topic - the pages I linked are a sample of that - but of course it's the wilder end that would provide the best subplots in an adaptation.