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The Book Is a Time Machine

60 points by diodorus 8y ago

sbjs 8y ago
"When we are not actually holding them, books are things over which we like to wring our hands. They stand, in their very solidity, for what might be precarious and endangered in our brave newish world." Definitely an off topic question, but why is this kind of writing style so common? This super academic style that uses the most complicated and unnatural phrases, and likes to use esoteric definitions of otherwise normal words. It's hard for me to read and it just gives off a vibe of show-off-y-ness.
- lainga 8y ago
  Compensation per word?
- ninjakeyboard 8y ago
  Apart from being a functional mechanism for communicating ideas, writing can also be artistic and stylistic. Writing can be a form of self expression. Like drawing, writing can express itself in both imitative and impressionistic forms. Or anywhere in between.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    Sure. But when the stylistic goes overboard, it can get in the way of actually communicating ideas. If the author wants to express their style more than they want to communicate, that's their choice, but it is at the price of communication. In particular, I'm not going to bother to read very much of it...
    - greglindahl 8y ago
      It's as if different people have different preferences. I've observed that many people don't like Faulkner, and others don't like Hemingway. I aim for Hemingway with my technical writing, but I love reading Faulkner for pleasure.
      - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
        Sure, that's true. This article wasn't fiction, though. And I know that non-fiction can still have style (in fact, the best does), and people can still have different preferences for that style. And fiction can still communicate ideas. But for me, personally, if you're trying to communicate an idea, tell me the idea. Stop trying to dress it up in fancy writing, and making me guess whether there's something profound there, or whether it's just fancy. Have style if you want, but don't let the style get in the way of actually communicating the idea.
    - c22 8y ago
      Some modern artists sacrifice communication when they produce works that I don't understand and don't find aesthetically pleasing enough to study. I guess taste is just one of the pitfalls of style.
- davegauer 8y ago
  It's funny: I was actually prepared to _defend_ this article based on the first line you quoted above. But the rest of it is much, much worse. I have no objection at all to long, complex sentences. Not everything needs to be (or can be) distilled into bullet points. But I'm struggling to find enough substance in this book review to merit the epic academic writing. I'm not saying there _isn't_ an interesting idea buried in there somewhere, but: > "Rather than seeing time as a scarce, homogeneous resource to be economized or optimized, Lupton invites us to follow her in seeing books as things that introduce difference, discontinuity, and even plasticity into time itself." Statements to this effect are made several times as if merely repeating it in different, increasingly obfuscated ways makes a stronger point. It does not. And: > "Lupton defines the literary, which is the category to which she remains professionally tethered, as a mode of thought characterized by refusing linear or instrumental time use." Really?
  - GCA10 8y ago
    Agreed. The headline is much bolder and more engaging than the actual article. I'll take a moment to sputter about the phrase "even plasticity." It sounds stark and assertive. But then I check the dictionary and discover that plasticity is really just a $10 word for the more mundane "malleable." In that case, the sentence is wrongly constructed. If it's trying to take us up a crescendo from small changes to big ones, it should read "introduce plasticity, difference and even discontinuity into time itself." I'm being cranky to make a larger point. A lot of academic writing isn't just obscure. It's intellectually sloppy in the way that a badly constructed sermon can be, too. Words are sloshed into place mostly because of the way they sound, rather than careful consideration of their exact meaning.
    - jessaustin 8y ago
      What? No! One is a noun and the other is an adjective. Do you really want to replace "plasticity" with "malleability"? Or maybe you prefer "malleableness"? But yes I agree that the writing doesn't flow well. This required a great deal of editing, which it didn't receive. In this particular sentence, the worst offender is "itself". We know we're talking about time; it dominates the first clause of the sentence.
ninjakeyboard 8y ago
"The Book" or The Book? https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005LALG9S/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005LALG9S/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_...
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greymeister 8y ago
Go through 5+ year old bookmarks to find all of them dead, this will show how permanent books seem compared to digital publications. They truly are "time machines" for how temporal information is today.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  That's why you should also bookmark with the Wayback Machine, not only urls.
  - codemac 8y ago
    This is why you should bookmark by copying important information into your own knowledge database.
    - greglindahl 8y ago
      Do you have a recommendation for "my own knowledge database", and also, do you have a recommendation for one that benefits everyone, not just me? When appropriate, of course.
      - davex32 8y ago
        Personally, I use zotero to archive, tag, index, and comment on page snapshots
      - codemac 8y ago
        - For you: Depends on what your software preferences are. Evernote is the obvious choice for most consumers, but I personally use org-mode in emacs + recoll for indexing. - "one that benefits everyone": probably wikipedia+scihub, but I think you would have already guessed that. A knowledge database that benefits everyone looks a lot like the internet, minus the serving issues. So probably something closer to ipfs.
    - jolmg 8y ago
      Would be great if we could download a webpage and guarantee it will always work. These days, however, I imagine lots of pages require runtime fetching of data via javascript. The alternative is whole-page screenshots but you lose the accessibility of the text within. I kind of miss the days when the web was just HTML.
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pmoriarty 8y ago
97 writers sent letters in 1971 to celebrate the opening of the new library in Troy, MI., including Isaac Asimov, who had this to say: "Congratulations on the new library, because it isn't just a library. It is a space ship that will take you to the farthest reaches of the Universe, a time machine that will take you to the far past and the far future, a teacher that knows more than any human being, a friend that will amuse you and console you --- and most of all, a gateway, to a better and happier and more useful life."
jhbadger 8y ago
As for the "time machine" aspect, I find old magazines to be even more evocative. The Internet Archive has a bunch of old computer magazines available and reading those I feel like I'm transported back to the 1980s.

60 points by diodorus 8y ago

sbjs 8y ago

"When we are not actually holding them, books are things over which we like to wring our hands. They stand, in their very solidity, for what might be precarious and endangered in our brave newish world." Definitely an off topic question, but why is this kind of writing style so common? This super academic style that uses the most complicated and unnatural phrases, and likes to use esoteric definitions of otherwise normal words. It's hard for me to read and it just gives off a vibe of show-off-y-ness.

lainga 8y ago
Compensation per word?
ninjakeyboard 8y ago
Apart from being a functional mechanism for communicating ideas, writing can also be artistic and stylistic. Writing can be a form of self expression. Like drawing, writing can express itself in both imitative and impressionistic forms. Or anywhere in between.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  Sure. But when the stylistic goes overboard, it can get in the way of actually communicating ideas. If the author wants to express their style more than they want to communicate, that's their choice, but it is at the price of communication. In particular, I'm not going to bother to read very much of it...
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    It's as if different people have different preferences. I've observed that many people don't like Faulkner, and others don't like Hemingway. I aim for Hemingway with my technical writing, but I love reading Faulkner for pleasure.
    - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
      Sure, that's true. This article wasn't fiction, though. And I know that non-fiction can still have style (in fact, the best does), and people can still have different preferences for that style. And fiction can still communicate ideas. But for me, personally, if you're trying to communicate an idea, tell me the idea. Stop trying to dress it up in fancy writing, and making me guess whether there's something profound there, or whether it's just fancy. Have style if you want, but don't let the style get in the way of actually communicating the idea.
  - c22 8y ago
    Some modern artists sacrifice communication when they produce works that I don't understand and don't find aesthetically pleasing enough to study. I guess taste is just one of the pitfalls of style.
davegauer 8y ago
It's funny: I was actually prepared to _defend_ this article based on the first line you quoted above. But the rest of it is much, much worse. I have no objection at all to long, complex sentences. Not everything needs to be (or can be) distilled into bullet points. But I'm struggling to find enough substance in this book review to merit the epic academic writing. I'm not saying there _isn't_ an interesting idea buried in there somewhere, but: > "Rather than seeing time as a scarce, homogeneous resource to be economized or optimized, Lupton invites us to follow her in seeing books as things that introduce difference, discontinuity, and even plasticity into time itself." Statements to this effect are made several times as if merely repeating it in different, increasingly obfuscated ways makes a stronger point. It does not. And: > "Lupton defines the literary, which is the category to which she remains professionally tethered, as a mode of thought characterized by refusing linear or instrumental time use." Really?
- GCA10 8y ago
  Agreed. The headline is much bolder and more engaging than the actual article. I'll take a moment to sputter about the phrase "even plasticity." It sounds stark and assertive. But then I check the dictionary and discover that plasticity is really just a $10 word for the more mundane "malleable." In that case, the sentence is wrongly constructed. If it's trying to take us up a crescendo from small changes to big ones, it should read "introduce plasticity, difference and even discontinuity into time itself." I'm being cranky to make a larger point. A lot of academic writing isn't just obscure. It's intellectually sloppy in the way that a badly constructed sermon can be, too. Words are sloshed into place mostly because of the way they sound, rather than careful consideration of their exact meaning.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    What? No! One is a noun and the other is an adjective. Do you really want to replace "plasticity" with "malleability"? Or maybe you prefer "malleableness"? But yes I agree that the writing doesn't flow well. This required a great deal of editing, which it didn't receive. In this particular sentence, the worst offender is "itself". We know we're talking about time; it dominates the first clause of the sentence.

ninjakeyboard 8y ago

"The Book" or The Book? https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005LALG9S/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005LALG9S/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_...

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greymeister 8y ago

Go through 5+ year old bookmarks to find all of them dead, this will show how permanent books seem compared to digital publications. They truly are "time machines" for how temporal information is today.

greglindahl 8y ago
That's why you should also bookmark with the Wayback Machine, not only urls.
- codemac 8y ago
  This is why you should bookmark by copying important information into your own knowledge database.
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    Do you have a recommendation for "my own knowledge database", and also, do you have a recommendation for one that benefits everyone, not just me? When appropriate, of course.
    - davex32 8y ago
      Personally, I use zotero to archive, tag, index, and comment on page snapshots
    - codemac 8y ago
      - For you: Depends on what your software preferences are. Evernote is the obvious choice for most consumers, but I personally use org-mode in emacs + recoll for indexing. - "one that benefits everyone": probably wikipedia+scihub, but I think you would have already guessed that. A knowledge database that benefits everyone looks a lot like the internet, minus the serving issues. So probably something closer to ipfs.
  - jolmg 8y ago
    Would be great if we could download a webpage and guarantee it will always work. These days, however, I imagine lots of pages require runtime fetching of data via javascript. The alternative is whole-page screenshots but you lose the accessibility of the text within. I kind of miss the days when the web was just HTML.

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pmoriarty 8y ago

97 writers sent letters in 1971 to celebrate the opening of the new library in Troy, MI., including Isaac Asimov, who had this to say: "Congratulations on the new library, because it isn't just a library. It is a space ship that will take you to the farthest reaches of the Universe, a time machine that will take you to the far past and the far future, a teacher that knows more than any human being, a friend that will amuse you and console you --- and most of all, a gateway, to a better and happier and more useful life."

jhbadger 8y ago

As for the "time machine" aspect, I find old magazines to be even more evocative. The Internet Archive has a bunch of old computer magazines available and reading those I feel like I'm transported back to the 1980s.