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:( Here I was hoping he didn't do it... I hope it doesn't reflect poorly on the open source community. Next thing you know they will be calling us murderers.

staunch 18y ago
> Here I was hoping he didn't do it... We still don't know if he did.
- xenoterracide 18y ago
  guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. although, I suppose I don't really trust the US justice system. I've seen people I know innocent get convicted recently. But his behavior is unfortunately highly suspect.
  - tptacek 18y ago
    It's guilt beyond a jury's reasonable doubt, not guilt beyond your reasonable doubt.
    - ardit33 18y ago
      yes. But there are still people that believe Elvis is alive. No matter the evidence, some people can't be convinced something has happen, if they don't want to believe in it. Where do you draw the line? In this case, 12 people of the jury thought he did it. Since I wasn't in the trial, and didn't see the evidence, I have no recourse but to believe that there was reason enough to convict him. This was not a racially charged situation, so it is hard to argue that the jury was biased, or anything like that.
      - michaelneale 18y ago
        Whilst not racially charged, as SwellJoe points out, Hans (and others) have personalities (aspergers??) so different from any member of the jury he may as well be totally foreign to them.
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        xenoterracide 18y ago
        my gf has aspergers and although she acts strange she wouldn't go to the lengths that hans did. which is more than a little strange especially given the circumstances.
- ardit33 18y ago
  "We still don't know if he did." -- well the us justice system thinks he did it, that's what matters.
ken 18y ago
Open-source got off easy: "Hora speculated that Reiser might have choked his wife, based on little evidence except that Reiser was a black belt in judo, a martial art where choking is a specialty." Judo, meaning "gentle way", is apparently the martial art that teaches you how to kill your wife.
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- ComputerGuru 18y ago
  I can just imagine it: "And Hans Reiser was heard arguing with his wife - just like he'd practiced for years on the mailing lists of open source communities where overly-violent and highly-sensitive people are known to dwell and practice verbal abuse quite often."
  - menloparkbum 18y ago
    You just described the OpenBSD mailing lists quite accurately.
    - rbanffy 18y ago
      Well. Just wait until Theo's wife goes missing.
- rbanffy 18y ago
  As a kid, I had a few years of Judo training and I have never learned how to choke a person. From my experience, Judo is about catching or throwing opponents off-balance (often with their unwilling help) and disarming and immobilizing them so they can't harm you. Of all martial arts, Judo is one of the gentlest. I can hardly imagine using it to kill someone who does not really want to get killed. As for Mr. Sturgeon, misreporting a crime, specially if it's done with the intention of compromising a murder investigation, is a serious offense. I am not sure why the police didn't get him. And, while we are at it, it is a real no-no do screw your friend's wife. This case begs for an appeal.

staunch 18y ago

> Here I was hoping he didn't do it... We still don't know if he did.

xenoterracide 18y ago
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. although, I suppose I don't really trust the US justice system. I've seen people I know innocent get convicted recently. But his behavior is unfortunately highly suspect.
- tptacek 18y ago
  It's guilt beyond a jury's reasonable doubt, not guilt beyond your reasonable doubt.
  - ardit33 18y ago
    yes. But there are still people that believe Elvis is alive. No matter the evidence, some people can't be convinced something has happen, if they don't want to believe in it. Where do you draw the line? In this case, 12 people of the jury thought he did it. Since I wasn't in the trial, and didn't see the evidence, I have no recourse but to believe that there was reason enough to convict him. This was not a racially charged situation, so it is hard to argue that the jury was biased, or anything like that.
    - michaelneale 18y ago
      Whilst not racially charged, as SwellJoe points out, Hans (and others) have personalities (aspergers??) so different from any member of the jury he may as well be totally foreign to them.
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      - xenoterracide 18y ago
        my gf has aspergers and although she acts strange she wouldn't go to the lengths that hans did. which is more than a little strange especially given the circumstances.
ardit33 18y ago
"We still don't know if he did." -- well the us justice system thinks he did it, that's what matters.

ken 18y ago

Open-source got off easy: "Hora speculated that Reiser might have choked his wife, based on little evidence except that Reiser was a black belt in judo, a martial art where choking is a specialty." Judo, meaning "gentle way", is apparently the martial art that teaches you how to kill your wife.

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ComputerGuru 18y ago
I can just imagine it: "And Hans Reiser was heard arguing with his wife - just like he'd practiced for years on the mailing lists of open source communities where overly-violent and highly-sensitive people are known to dwell and practice verbal abuse quite often."
- menloparkbum 18y ago
  You just described the OpenBSD mailing lists quite accurately.
  - rbanffy 18y ago
    Well. Just wait until Theo's wife goes missing.
rbanffy 18y ago
As a kid, I had a few years of Judo training and I have never learned how to choke a person. From my experience, Judo is about catching or throwing opponents off-balance (often with their unwilling help) and disarming and immobilizing them so they can't harm you. Of all martial arts, Judo is one of the gentlest. I can hardly imagine using it to kill someone who does not really want to get killed. As for Mr. Sturgeon, misreporting a crime, specially if it's done with the intention of compromising a murder investigation, is a serious offense. I am not sure why the police didn't get him. And, while we are at it, it is a real no-no do screw your friend's wife. This case begs for an appeal.