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I figured it wouldn't fly because of some of the earlier rulings with casinos. Well, I cannot blame the tribe for trying to get in on some of that tech money.

I figured it wouldn't fly because of some of the earlier rulings with casinos. Well, I cannot blame the tribe for trying to get in on some of that tech money. Its not like there has been much outreach in this era of diversity initives. The tech companies list Native Americans in the Other column. Their prefered universities to recruit from don't really recruit from the reservation schools, and those same universities give scholorships and positions slated for Native Americans to non-natives. I look at Apple's initiave to get community colleges programming in Swift and see no tribal community college. Google blocked a tribal community college on Google Voice (thanks AT&T for finding that one). One PC company, who has since changed their ways, refused to treat tribal community college as an educational instutions.

mistrial9 8y ago
Native-Americans have a diverse background in the last hundred years, including military service, sports and film making.. generally not big on the Academic side, if that is possible to say.. the programs you allude to are fraught with difficulties, for all kinds of reasons.. not simple, and certainly not solved by urgent, well-meaning people..
- boomboomsubban 8y ago
  This is an issue that I'm regularly amazed urgent, well-meaning people are not up in arms about. That lack of academic success is largely to blame on the Department of the Interior's ineptitude. Reservation schools are often so bad, parents send their children to still existing Residential Schools, where Church protected groups make millions a year to set kids up in foster homes and enroll them in the local public school. The entire situation is a disgusting.
  - protomyth 8y ago
    I'm just amazed that the whole of America is not offended by the Department of the Interior's ineptitude. Our internet got cut for two weeks because they were required to be removed from the internet because of how sloppy their IT security was. Made for some problems with our distance learning classes. Even the colleges who paid for their internet from a private provider were affected. Hell, BIE still thinks a T1 is good enough for a community college. North Dakota has open enrollment, so there are a lot of buses from other schools on the rez each morning (which I find good for the students). The tribes runs the local school not the BIE, and I think that is much more common these days. We don't have any of the old BIA schools, and the most common boarding school in our area is a world of difference from the old government crap (it is now run by Native Americans and does wonders for troubled children).
    - quiq 8y ago
      I Grew up near a rez in ND, my dad worked at the tribal college for as long as I can remember. Open enrollment does help. A sizable chunk of the local public school population lived on the rez. The tribal highschool looks more like a prison (not a single window on the outside) and teachers rarely last more than a couple years. On the note of the sad state of diversity initiatives, I recall a particular quote from a local restaurant owner: "If their last name has a verb or an animal in it I throw it in the trash"
      - protomyth 8y ago
        I think I know which one you mean (opened in 1985, it does have a sky light, one window behind the concrete towerish thing, and a door on the 3rd floor boiler room). Amazingly, its a "celebrated" design from Texas. The "how do we vent a gas leak" was hilarious, not to mention how fast strep throat traveled. Oh yeah, that place was a horrible place since it was half public (high school), half BIA (elementary). I am told they have improved, but it was not great when I went there. They finally got rid of the BIA. Yeah, some of the "border" towns have some really, flat out racist people. The "safety inspections" on the first of the month positioned to stop all cars coming off the rez were some serious BS. Talk about hitting people when they are already down.
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      Though the tribes often do have more control over the schools now, the SD reservations are the poorest areas in the nation, so they still rely on the BIE for funding. My hunch is that this is another of the differences between the Dakotas caused by the oil boom. As for the boarding schools, SD still has the definite residential schools. My hometown has one, and it's depressing. Over the past decade they've; drawn national criticism for for fraudulent fund raising, forbid a Lakota ceremony from being performed at HS graduation while allowing a Christian prayer, moved away a priest after decades of hushed up rape accusations, and passed a state law making them unable to be sued by any past victims of abuse.
      - protomyth 8y ago
- protomyth 8y ago
  > Native-Americans have a diverse background in the last hundred years, including military service, sports and film making.. Other than military service, the other two are not exactly employers of number. > generally not big on the Academic side, if that is possible to say.. Well, if you don't see a oppurtunity in one area, then you are logically going to put the effort in another area. Frankly, the American Military at least plays it straight and is a know equation. The tribes have spent quite a lot of effort in bringing their educational institutions along, and the main instution for all most of the tribes is the community college which follows the same accreditation as its state brethren. > the programs you allude to are fraught with difficulties, for all kinds of reasons.. not simple, No, they are not. Apple could have reached out to some of the tribal schools like they did with other community colleges. One out the initial 30 is not too much to ask. Google could have internally told the bean counters, No - we will not block a tribal community college. The PC company could have listened to reason and found we were are worthy as other accredited institutions. Heck, one friggin company clued in enough to tell the tribes, "Hey, we employ X number of your enrolled members". I am happy to listen to the "all kinds of reasons", but when the institution does the full accrediation, vocational learning, NGO grants, state grants, and federal grants: its really hard to argue a lack of ability to execute on programs from a company. > and certainly not solved by urgent, well-meaning people.. This is the fun copout that we often here. Its poor reasoning when all we want is a chance to be on the field. I'll take well-meaning over being ignored. I took the first paragraph charitably, but I get the feeling others might not

mistrial9 8y ago

Native-Americans have a diverse background in the last hundred years, including military service, sports and film making.. generally not big on the Academic side, if that is possible to say.. the programs you allude to are fraught with difficulties, for all kinds of reasons.. not simple, and certainly not solved by urgent, well-meaning people..

boomboomsubban 8y ago
This is an issue that I'm regularly amazed urgent, well-meaning people are not up in arms about. That lack of academic success is largely to blame on the Department of the Interior's ineptitude. Reservation schools are often so bad, parents send their children to still existing Residential Schools, where Church protected groups make millions a year to set kids up in foster homes and enroll them in the local public school. The entire situation is a disgusting.
- protomyth 8y ago
  I'm just amazed that the whole of America is not offended by the Department of the Interior's ineptitude. Our internet got cut for two weeks because they were required to be removed from the internet because of how sloppy their IT security was. Made for some problems with our distance learning classes. Even the colleges who paid for their internet from a private provider were affected. Hell, BIE still thinks a T1 is good enough for a community college. North Dakota has open enrollment, so there are a lot of buses from other schools on the rez each morning (which I find good for the students). The tribes runs the local school not the BIE, and I think that is much more common these days. We don't have any of the old BIA schools, and the most common boarding school in our area is a world of difference from the old government crap (it is now run by Native Americans and does wonders for troubled children).
  - quiq 8y ago
    I Grew up near a rez in ND, my dad worked at the tribal college for as long as I can remember. Open enrollment does help. A sizable chunk of the local public school population lived on the rez. The tribal highschool looks more like a prison (not a single window on the outside) and teachers rarely last more than a couple years. On the note of the sad state of diversity initiatives, I recall a particular quote from a local restaurant owner: "If their last name has a verb or an animal in it I throw it in the trash"
    - protomyth 8y ago
      I think I know which one you mean (opened in 1985, it does have a sky light, one window behind the concrete towerish thing, and a door on the 3rd floor boiler room). Amazingly, its a "celebrated" design from Texas. The "how do we vent a gas leak" was hilarious, not to mention how fast strep throat traveled. Oh yeah, that place was a horrible place since it was half public (high school), half BIA (elementary). I am told they have improved, but it was not great when I went there. They finally got rid of the BIA. Yeah, some of the "border" towns have some really, flat out racist people. The "safety inspections" on the first of the month positioned to stop all cars coming off the rez were some serious BS. Talk about hitting people when they are already down.
  - boomboomsubban 8y ago
    Though the tribes often do have more control over the schools now, the SD reservations are the poorest areas in the nation, so they still rely on the BIE for funding. My hunch is that this is another of the differences between the Dakotas caused by the oil boom. As for the boarding schools, SD still has the definite residential schools. My hometown has one, and it's depressing. Over the past decade they've; drawn national criticism for for fraudulent fund raising, forbid a Lakota ceremony from being performed at HS graduation while allowing a Christian prayer, moved away a priest after decades of hushed up rape accusations, and passed a state law making them unable to be sued by any past victims of abuse.
    - protomyth 8y ago
protomyth 8y ago
> Native-Americans have a diverse background in the last hundred years, including military service, sports and film making.. Other than military service, the other two are not exactly employers of number. > generally not big on the Academic side, if that is possible to say.. Well, if you don't see a oppurtunity in one area, then you are logically going to put the effort in another area. Frankly, the American Military at least plays it straight and is a know equation. The tribes have spent quite a lot of effort in bringing their educational institutions along, and the main instution for all most of the tribes is the community college which follows the same accreditation as its state brethren. > the programs you allude to are fraught with difficulties, for all kinds of reasons.. not simple, No, they are not. Apple could have reached out to some of the tribal schools like they did with other community colleges. One out the initial 30 is not too much to ask. Google could have internally told the bean counters, No - we will not block a tribal community college. The PC company could have listened to reason and found we were are worthy as other accredited institutions. Heck, one friggin company clued in enough to tell the tribes, "Hey, we employ X number of your enrolled members". I am happy to listen to the "all kinds of reasons", but when the institution does the full accrediation, vocational learning, NGO grants, state grants, and federal grants: its really hard to argue a lack of ability to execute on programs from a company. > and certainly not solved by urgent, well-meaning people.. This is the fun copout that we often here. Its poor reasoning when all we want is a chance to be on the field. I'll take well-meaning over being ignored. I took the first paragraph charitably, but I get the feeling others might not