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New study blaming warming on disrupted Atlantic flow has scientists “grumpy”
- throwawayjava 8y agoThe RealClimate.org piece is a very nice piece of scientific prose; I enjoyed the historical preface. The scientific discussion was clear enough that I could get an overall sense of the field but specific enough that I know where to look if I want to make a deep dive into any one of the various related claims: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/07/does-a-slow-amoc-increase-the-rate-of-global-warming/ http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/07/does-a... More generally, though, climate science makes me queasy. I'm more than happy to accept the dominant theories and sort of understand that there's a lot of people who understand enough of the related science to have an informed opinion, but I feel like it would take at least a Ph.D. and a postdoc before I could really get to that point. There are just so many complex systems in play.
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 8y ago> There are just so many complex systems in play. That opinion is better suited to gender than climate for some reason.
- aoner 8y agoIf you want to take a deep dive, the IPCC is the place to be : https://www.ipcc.ch https://www.ipcc.ch > The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a scientific and intergovernmental body under the auspices of the United Nations, set up at the request of member governments, dedicated to the task of providing the world with an objective, scientific view of climate change and its political and economic impacts. It was first established in 1988 by two United Nations organizations, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP).... The IPCC produces reports that support the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which is the main international treaty on climate change. IPCC reports cover "the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation." The IPCC does not carry out its own original research, nor does it do the work of monitoring climate or related phenomena itself. The IPCC bases its assessment on the published literature, which includes peer-reviewed and non-peer-reviewed sources. Thousands of scientists and other experts contribute (on a voluntary basis, without payment from the IPCC) to writing and reviewing reports, which are then reviewed by governments. IPCC reports contain a "Summary for Policymakers", which is subject to line-by-line approval by delegates from all participating governments. Typically this involves the governments of more than 120 countries.
- lawlessone 8y agoThe tl;dr of the article. If the oceans conveyor belt currents stop it could lead to an even warmer Earth rather than an Ice age as is often predicted.
- ballenf 8y agoIs the grumpiness related to the reduced impact of human activity on global temperatures in this model? Or maybe more a response to the press's general tendency to report new studies as significant before there's consensus or even a chance for others in the field to fully evaluate the claims.
- yoklov 8y agoIt seems to be related to some of the methodology used in the study. Apparently it ignores some things?
- manicdee 8y agoOr falsely implies a causal link?
- pulisse 8y agoIt's not a model. It's a correlational study. > Most of Chen and Tung's evidence for this comes from laying Atlantic circulation data next to global temperature data and noting that it looks like temperatures rose more quickly during periods when circulation slowed.
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