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You don't even attempt to cite any stats that would show that non-urban America is as safe as Europe. And it's a stretch to believe because Europe doesn't have

You don't even attempt to cite any stats that would show that non-urban America is as safe as Europe. And it's a stretch to believe because Europe doesn't have semi-regular gun massacres, which aren't actually happening in inner cities. Guns are widely available in high crime areas because it's trivial to travel to a jurisdiction where buying them is legal. We also have very little liability for what happens with a gun you own or sale when it's not in your possession. If this weren't the case, you'd see much fewer firearms getting into the hands of criminals.

pdonis 8y ago
> Europe doesn't have semi-regular gun massacres https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun... > semi-regular gun massacres, which aren't actually happening in inner cities. You're right, "inner cities" was too narrow. "Urban areas" would be better. The point is that the localities are isolated; they aren't evenly spread across the US, they're concentrated in certain places, and those places all have a common factor that I described.
pdonis 8y ago
> We also have very little liability for what happens with a gun you own or sale when it's not in your possession For "own", yes, you're right; greater accountability for gun owners who let others use their guns would be a good idea. For "sale", not so much; selling something means transferring ownership, which means once you've sold it, you aren't responsible any more because you aren't the owner. The new owner is the one who should be held responsible.
pdonis 8y ago
> You don't even attempt to cite any stats Neither did the post I responded to. See here for some stats on US gun violence in 2018 (the site also has data for past years): http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps

pdonis 8y ago

> Europe doesn't have semi-regular gun massacres https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun... > semi-regular gun massacres, which aren't actually happening in inner cities. You're right, "inner cities" was too narrow. "Urban areas" would be better. The point is that the localities are isolated; they aren't evenly spread across the US, they're concentrated in certain places, and those places all have a common factor that I described.

pdonis 8y ago

> We also have very little liability for what happens with a gun you own or sale when it's not in your possession For "own", yes, you're right; greater accountability for gun owners who let others use their guns would be a good idea. For "sale", not so much; selling something means transferring ownership, which means once you've sold it, you aren't responsible any more because you aren't the owner. The new owner is the one who should be held responsible.

pdonis 8y ago

> You don't even attempt to cite any stats Neither did the post I responded to. See here for some stats on US gun violence in 2018 (the site also has data for past years): http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps