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nah, the police can't torture you for your password. Only the evil criminals can do that. The courts can incarcerate you for not revealing a password, it's is

nah, the police can't torture you for your password. Only the evil criminals can do that. The courts can incarcerate you for not revealing a password, it's is up to you the criminal to decide if the punishment for not revealing the password is more/less severe than the punishment for whatever crime your hiding the evidence of with the password. Edit: OK now I have found evidence to prove myself wrong. At some point in the past I though I had read of a court case where a judge ruled that a defendant had to reveal a password. But a more recent case says otherwise: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2008-02-07-encrypted-laptop-child-porn_N.htm http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2008-02-07-encr...

rdtsc 16y ago
> Only the evil criminals can do that. Depending on the country, the symmetric set difference between the police and "evil criminals" is quite small. And even then when the police can't torture your officially, they can have ways of torturing you un-officially. They can lock you up with a group of gang members who are on the un-official "payroll" of the police. They rape and torture you until you reveal the password. The case in the media will come out as "my cellmate confessed in a moment of weakness and here is the password".
- nandemo 16y ago
  It's even easier than that. You don't need actual torture to extract confessions: Pressed by Police, Even Innocent Confess in Japan http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/world/asia/11japan.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/world/asia/11japan.html Also: Japan is unique among democratic countries in that confessions are obtained from 95% of all people arrested, and that its courts convict 99.9% of all the suspects brought before them. (...) It is how the police obtain these confessions that troubles human-rights activists. A suspect can be held for 48 hours without legal counsel or contact with the outside world. After that, he or she is turned over to the public prosecutor for another 24 hours of grilling. A judge can then grant a further ten days of detention, which can be renewed for another ten days. http://www.debito.org/?p=217 http://www.debito.org/?p=217
mcknz 16y ago
technically no, but that's the beauty of extraordinary rendition.
fluidcruft 16y ago
Same case. Look later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Boucher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Boucher

rdtsc 16y ago

> Only the evil criminals can do that. Depending on the country, the symmetric set difference between the police and "evil criminals" is quite small. And even then when the police can't torture your officially, they can have ways of torturing you un-officially. They can lock you up with a group of gang members who are on the un-official "payroll" of the police. They rape and torture you until you reveal the password. The case in the media will come out as "my cellmate confessed in a moment of weakness and here is the password".

nandemo 16y ago
It's even easier than that. You don't need actual torture to extract confessions: Pressed by Police, Even Innocent Confess in Japan http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/world/asia/11japan.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/world/asia/11japan.html Also: Japan is unique among democratic countries in that confessions are obtained from 95% of all people arrested, and that its courts convict 99.9% of all the suspects brought before them. (...) It is how the police obtain these confessions that troubles human-rights activists. A suspect can be held for 48 hours without legal counsel or contact with the outside world. After that, he or she is turned over to the public prosecutor for another 24 hours of grilling. A judge can then grant a further ten days of detention, which can be renewed for another ten days. http://www.debito.org/?p=217 http://www.debito.org/?p=217

mcknz 16y ago

technically no, but that's the beauty of extraordinary rendition.

fluidcruft 16y ago

Same case. Look later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Boucher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Boucher