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Do you have any tips on how to make this happen? When I graduated I felt like I didn't have much leverage on the job offer, but now that I have a couple years o

by calebh 8y ago

Do you have any tips on how to make this happen? When I graduated I felt like I didn't have much leverage on the job offer, but now that I have a couple years of experience I think I can negotiate a better deal.

legohead 8y ago
begin with having multiple offers in hand.
- deathanatos 8y ago
  And in practice, this is quite difficult when companies only hand out "exploding" offers. And then you're back to how good the candidate's negotiating skills are, rather than that person's skill at whatever occupation you're hiring them into. Companies would rather not think too hard about the moral implications of trying to cheat someone out of what they're worth, though.
  - jchw 8y ago
    Don't accept exploding offers. Ever. It's a scam.
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  - confounded 8y ago
    Exploding offers are bullshit (a meaningless scare tactic, almost never enforced) and you should politely but explicitly make it clear that you know this. At the offer stage, all the power is in your hands. If you are a hiring manager, and this is policy, refuse to disrespect the experts you are hoping to entice.
- ljw1001 8y ago
  When your rights are dependent on being in a strong bargaining position, you're already screwed. No one is always in a strong bargaining position.
ams6110 8y ago
Strike out the terms you don't like, and send the offer back. They may decline your changes, but they may not.
- montecarl 8y ago
  This has always worked for me. My employers have only cared that they fully own all code that they pay me to write and are willing to change the language of the contract to make that clear.
_bxg1 8y ago
I've never gotten a company to actually change terms, but I have turned them down on that basis. I would say, make sure you look for jobs while you either still have one, or have comfortable savings. That way you can hold out for what you want instead of having to take what comes along.

by calebh 8y ago

legohead 8y ago

begin with having multiple offers in hand.

deathanatos 8y ago
And in practice, this is quite difficult when companies only hand out "exploding" offers. And then you're back to how good the candidate's negotiating skills are, rather than that person's skill at whatever occupation you're hiring them into. Companies would rather not think too hard about the moral implications of trying to cheat someone out of what they're worth, though.
- jchw 8y ago
  Don't accept exploding offers. Ever. It's a scam.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- confounded 8y ago
  Exploding offers are bullshit (a meaningless scare tactic, almost never enforced) and you should politely but explicitly make it clear that you know this. At the offer stage, all the power is in your hands. If you are a hiring manager, and this is policy, refuse to disrespect the experts you are hoping to entice.
ljw1001 8y ago
When your rights are dependent on being in a strong bargaining position, you're already screwed. No one is always in a strong bargaining position.

ams6110 8y ago

Strike out the terms you don't like, and send the offer back. They may decline your changes, but they may not.

montecarl 8y ago
This has always worked for me. My employers have only cared that they fully own all code that they pay me to write and are willing to change the language of the contract to make that clear.

_bxg1 8y ago

I've never gotten a company to actually change terms, but I have turned them down on that basis. I would say, make sure you look for jobs while you either still have one, or have comfortable savings. That way you can hold out for what you want instead of having to take what comes along.