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Looks interesting, wish i could read it on mobile without registering.

by nubb 8y ago

mudil 8y ago
It's a good site to register if you follow equities and if you invest.
ubernostrum 8y ago
In summary: * Author wrote a number of articles analyzing Tesla from a financial perspective. Some of them critical of Tesla. * Elon Musk contacted author's employer, threatening to sue if author continued to write. * Author announces in response to this threat he will no longer write. Not just "no longer write about Tesla", no longer write, period. * Author indicates this is in some ways a relief, as he has had poor experiences fielding "responses" and "critiques" from Musk and Musk's online supporters.
- mistersquid 8y ago
  Noted elsewhere: [0] * Author is director at company heavily invested in oil industry * Author has published false stories regarding Tesla. * Author has incited social media attacks on Tesla advocates, bulls, and fans. Basically, the author was using pseudonymity and relative anonymity to manipulate the market in which he and his employer are heavily invested. I am not a lawyer. Given his company's position and his own personal position, what he was doing is at least unethical and may even be illegal, exposing him and possibly his employer to liability once his employer became aware of his editorial moonlighting. [0] https://electrek.co/2018/07/24/tesla-troll-short-doxxed-oil-industry-musk-calls-boss/ https://electrek.co/2018/07/24/tesla-troll-short-doxxed-oil-... EDIT: formatting
  - __blockcipher__ 8y ago
    electrek is a tesla propaganda site. they literally posted montana skeptic’s identity in their article. since when is that acceptable behavior? Montana skeptic wasn’t a troll, he wrote extremely insightful articles. I’m actually shocked how many people are trashing the dude
  - ubernostrum 8y ago
    Whether you like what he says or not, he's got freedom of speech and shouldn't be bullied into silence. I think the standard response here is "the cure for bad speech is more speech", yes?
    - fixermark 8y ago
      Freedom of speech is constrained regarding financial market manipulation. I don't know of any laws this specific individual might be breaking by criticizing a third-party they are market-bet against, but in the general category of such law: there's all kinds of things I could say about my employer that would be considered insider trading and put me at risk of fines or jail time, my frozen peaches be damned. ;)
      - ubernostrum 8y ago
        Freedom of speech is constrained regarding financial market manipulation Sure. But the Musk fanboys seem to be under the impression that if you're shorting Tesla it should be illegal to say why, or even to write about Tesla. Or if for some reason the SEC won't go after people for that, they think it's OK for Musk to use the threat of well-funded litigation to shut up the critics, and will endlessly spin justifications for that based on what they perceive the critics' sins to be. AFAICT the author discloses his short position and the short position of whomever he represents. Which is... what responsible people do when writing about companies. Bullying him into silence because Musk and his sycophants don't like his writing is a horrible thing (especially given how much overlap there is between Musk fans and people who think of/describe themselves as free-speech advocates).
    - jessaustin 8y ago
      More speech? It sounds like Elon has a very specific idea of what sort of speech that is: pick up the phone and threaten the speaker's employer.
  - mitchoneill1 8y ago
    Muddy waters did a similar thing (posting research anonymously), Matt Levine wrote about it : https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-09/can-noisy-shorts-be-secret https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-09/can-noisy...
teh_klev 8y ago
I'm able to read the full article on mobile without being pestered to register (using Chrome on Android). I didn't even need to request the "Desktop site" either.

Looks interesting, wish i could read it on mobile without registering.

by nubb 8y ago

Looks interesting, wish i could read it on mobile without registering.

mudil 8y ago

It's a good site to register if you follow equities and if you invest.

ubernostrum 8y ago

In summary: * Author wrote a number of articles analyzing Tesla from a financial perspective. Some of them critical of Tesla. * Elon Musk contacted author's employer, threatening to sue if author continued to write. * Author announces in response to this threat he will no longer write. Not just "no longer write about Tesla", no longer write, period. * Author indicates this is in some ways a relief, as he has had poor experiences fielding "responses" and "critiques" from Musk and Musk's online supporters.

mistersquid 8y ago
Noted elsewhere: [0] * Author is director at company heavily invested in oil industry * Author has published false stories regarding Tesla. * Author has incited social media attacks on Tesla advocates, bulls, and fans. Basically, the author was using pseudonymity and relative anonymity to manipulate the market in which he and his employer are heavily invested. I am not a lawyer. Given his company's position and his own personal position, what he was doing is at least unethical and may even be illegal, exposing him and possibly his employer to liability once his employer became aware of his editorial moonlighting. [0] https://electrek.co/2018/07/24/tesla-troll-short-doxxed-oil-industry-musk-calls-boss/ https://electrek.co/2018/07/24/tesla-troll-short-doxxed-oil-... EDIT: formatting
- __blockcipher__ 8y ago
  electrek is a tesla propaganda site. they literally posted montana skeptic’s identity in their article. since when is that acceptable behavior? Montana skeptic wasn’t a troll, he wrote extremely insightful articles. I’m actually shocked how many people are trashing the dude
- ubernostrum 8y ago
  Whether you like what he says or not, he's got freedom of speech and shouldn't be bullied into silence. I think the standard response here is "the cure for bad speech is more speech", yes?
  - fixermark 8y ago
    Freedom of speech is constrained regarding financial market manipulation. I don't know of any laws this specific individual might be breaking by criticizing a third-party they are market-bet against, but in the general category of such law: there's all kinds of things I could say about my employer that would be considered insider trading and put me at risk of fines or jail time, my frozen peaches be damned. ;)
    - ubernostrum 8y ago
      Freedom of speech is constrained regarding financial market manipulation Sure. But the Musk fanboys seem to be under the impression that if you're shorting Tesla it should be illegal to say why, or even to write about Tesla. Or if for some reason the SEC won't go after people for that, they think it's OK for Musk to use the threat of well-funded litigation to shut up the critics, and will endlessly spin justifications for that based on what they perceive the critics' sins to be. AFAICT the author discloses his short position and the short position of whomever he represents. Which is... what responsible people do when writing about companies. Bullying him into silence because Musk and his sycophants don't like his writing is a horrible thing (especially given how much overlap there is between Musk fans and people who think of/describe themselves as free-speech advocates).
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    More speech? It sounds like Elon has a very specific idea of what sort of speech that is: pick up the phone and threaten the speaker's employer.
- mitchoneill1 8y ago
  Muddy waters did a similar thing (posting research anonymously), Matt Levine wrote about it : https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-09/can-noisy-shorts-be-secret https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-09/can-noisy...

teh_klev 8y ago

I'm able to read the full article on mobile without being pestered to register (using Chrome on Android). I didn't even need to request the "Desktop site" either.