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> That they refuse to draw a line about holocaust deniers speaks volumes. Specifically, it speaks that they are perfectly fine with being a platform for white n

> That they refuse to draw a line about holocaust deniers speaks volumes. Specifically, it speaks that they are perfectly fine with being a platform for white nationalism. Whites are far from being the only people who deny the Holocaust.

vkou 8y ago
White nationalist groups are not the only ones who do, but they are the most popular, influential, and scariest ones.
- drak0n1c 8y ago
  Please cite sources on popularity, influence, and scariness before you ascribe total responsibility to a single sub-group. The fact that multiple governments and millions of people around the world endorse Holocaust denial ranks higher on the threat scale to me, as a Jewish American, than the far fewer and less locally-popular white nationalists here in the west. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/the-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/th...
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  - vkou 8y ago
    As a Jewish American, you have very little to worry about, when Lin Cheng, in rural China has not heard of the Holocaust. He almost certainly doesn't care very much about it, one way or another. You probably haven't heard about the genocide in Equatorial Guinea. You probably don't care much about the particulars of your knowledge of that atrocity, either. It's not key to his value system. He doesn't live next door. He isn't marching with the Proud Boys, who want to make America white again.
    - drak0n1c 8y ago
      You wouldn't say "He isn't marching with Black Lives Matter, who want to make America a communist dictatorship" just because someone claimed to see Black Bloc anarchists at a BLM event or because a Maoist offered words of support, would you? If a partisan pundit claimed that their activities and attitude enables extremists, and that was all that was needed to label them extremists too, I would dispute that characterization as well. Proud Boys oppose white nationalism as one of their core rules and a number of their NYC members are Jewish men. They're constantly taunted by skinheads online and have expelled trolls attempting to hijack their events. PS: You have a good point about naive ignorance - but the form of malicious and hateful ignorance we both identify as toxic is still borne out by statistics to be more common in the Middle East and North Africa than it is in the west. Due to it being sanctioned by multiple governments there, it affects me personally (I am actually not allowed to visit certain countries) and geopolitically in the form of strife/taxation, and migration (European Jews wearing kippah are now facing street harassment in prejudiced neighborhoods). I do not believe that saying this makes me hateful, I would love to wave a wand and get along with whoever may hate me for bad reasons - I am just assessing the practical level of anti-Semitism that is out in the world and how it ends up actually affecting my non-digital life. Trust me, the vast majority of anti-Semites are not taking the lead from white nationalists.

vkou 8y ago

White nationalist groups are not the only ones who do, but they are the most popular, influential, and scariest ones.

drak0n1c 8y ago
Please cite sources on popularity, influence, and scariness before you ascribe total responsibility to a single sub-group. The fact that multiple governments and millions of people around the world endorse Holocaust denial ranks higher on the threat scale to me, as a Jewish American, than the far fewer and less locally-popular white nationalists here in the west. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/the-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/th...
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- vkou 8y ago
  As a Jewish American, you have very little to worry about, when Lin Cheng, in rural China has not heard of the Holocaust. He almost certainly doesn't care very much about it, one way or another. You probably haven't heard about the genocide in Equatorial Guinea. You probably don't care much about the particulars of your knowledge of that atrocity, either. It's not key to his value system. He doesn't live next door. He isn't marching with the Proud Boys, who want to make America white again.
  - drak0n1c 8y ago
    You wouldn't say "He isn't marching with Black Lives Matter, who want to make America a communist dictatorship" just because someone claimed to see Black Bloc anarchists at a BLM event or because a Maoist offered words of support, would you? If a partisan pundit claimed that their activities and attitude enables extremists, and that was all that was needed to label them extremists too, I would dispute that characterization as well. Proud Boys oppose white nationalism as one of their core rules and a number of their NYC members are Jewish men. They're constantly taunted by skinheads online and have expelled trolls attempting to hijack their events. PS: You have a good point about naive ignorance - but the form of malicious and hateful ignorance we both identify as toxic is still borne out by statistics to be more common in the Middle East and North Africa than it is in the west. Due to it being sanctioned by multiple governments there, it affects me personally (I am actually not allowed to visit certain countries) and geopolitically in the form of strife/taxation, and migration (European Jews wearing kippah are now facing street harassment in prejudiced neighborhoods). I do not believe that saying this makes me hateful, I would love to wave a wand and get along with whoever may hate me for bad reasons - I am just assessing the practical level of anti-Semitism that is out in the world and how it ends up actually affecting my non-digital life. Trust me, the vast majority of anti-Semites are not taking the lead from white nationalists.