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Farewell for Now
- IBM 8y agoExcited for the Tesla episode of Dirty Money on Netflix when this story comes to an end.
- nubb 8y agoLooks interesting, wish i could read it on mobile without registering.
- mudil 8y agoIt's a good site to register if you follow equities and if you invest.
- ubernostrum 8y agoIn summary: * Author wrote a number of articles analyzing Tesla from a financial perspective. Some of them critical of Tesla. * Elon Musk contacted author's employer, threatening to sue if author continued to write. * Author announces in response to this threat he will no longer write. Not just "no longer write about Tesla", no longer write, period. * Author indicates this is in some ways a relief, as he has had poor experiences fielding "responses" and "critiques" from Musk and Musk's online supporters.
- mistersquid 8y agoNoted elsewhere: [0] * Author is director at company heavily invested in oil industry * Author has published false stories regarding Tesla. * Author has incited social media attacks on Tesla advocates, bulls, and fans. Basically, the author was using pseudonymity and relative anonymity to manipulate the market in which he and his employer are heavily invested. I am not a lawyer. Given his company's position and his own personal position, what he was doing is at least unethical and may even be illegal, exposing him and possibly his employer to liability once his employer became aware of his editorial moonlighting. [0] https://electrek.co/2018/07/24/tesla-troll-short-doxxed-oil-industry-musk-calls-boss/ https://electrek.co/2018/07/24/tesla-troll-short-doxxed-oil-... EDIT: formatting
- __blockcipher__ 8y agoelectrek is a tesla propaganda site. they literally posted montana skeptic’s identity in their article. since when is that acceptable behavior? Montana skeptic wasn’t a troll, he wrote extremely insightful articles. I’m actually shocked how many people are trashing the dude
- ubernostrum 8y agoWhether you like what he says or not, he's got freedom of speech and shouldn't be bullied into silence. I think the standard response here is "the cure for bad speech is more speech", yes?
- fixermark 8y agoFreedom of speech is constrained regarding financial market manipulation. I don't know of any laws this specific individual might be breaking by criticizing a third-party they are market-bet against, but in the general category of such law: there's all kinds of things I could say about my employer that would be considered insider trading and put me at risk of fines or jail time, my frozen peaches be damned. ;)
- ubernostrum 8y agoFreedom of speech is constrained regarding financial market manipulation Sure. But the Musk fanboys seem to be under the impression that if you're shorting Tesla it should be illegal to say why, or even to write about Tesla. Or if for some reason the SEC won't go after people for that, they think it's OK for Musk to use the threat of well-funded litigation to shut up the critics, and will endlessly spin justifications for that based on what they perceive the critics' sins to be. AFAICT the author discloses his short position and the short position of whomever he represents. Which is... what responsible people do when writing about companies. Bullying him into silence because Musk and his sycophants don't like his writing is a horrible thing (especially given how much overlap there is between Musk fans and people who think of/describe themselves as free-speech advocates).
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- teh_klev 8y agoI'm able to read the full article on mobile without being pestered to register (using Chrome on Android). I didn't even need to request the "Desktop site" either.
- zghst 8y agoHoly moly.
- ricardobeat 8y agoThis is good news. I despise having my SA feed filled to the brim with TSLA because of folks with an agenda like this guy. A sample of his latest headlines: - Why are all these Tesla cars baking in the sun? - I believe Musk is bluffing about Q3 profits - Munro's teardown spells big trouble - 'Hey, maybe the government will bail out Tesla' - I don't believe tesla's delivery report A lot of drivel (and maybe libel?), multiple days a week. It's so vitriolic I avoid reading SA just because of it. And there are others.
- GW150914 8y agoIt’s good news that because you don’t like what this guy has to say, Musk threatened him through his employer to shut him up? Jesus.
- ricardobeat 8y agoIf he doesn’t believe Tesla’s official financial reports, I think it’s fair for me to not believe this episode - there is no evidence of this profile being a person. I’m just glad to have less noise regardless, don’t have enough invested in TSLA to really care.
- GW150914 8y agothere is no evidence of this profile being a person. Sure there is, it’s in TFA and it was doxxed elsewhere. You’re welcome to believe otherwise of course, especially if that makes you feel better, but understand the difference between “no evidence of,” and “choosing not to believe.”
- ricardobeat 8y agoSorry, what’s TFA?
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- dtornabene 8y agoIts really a shame this has been flagged off of the front page, seems kind of important that Musk is personally calling bloggers employers to threaten them with litigation.
- ovao 8y agoAllegedly. I personally find the story somewhat unconvincing, but there may be some precedence here that gives the account more credence.
- confounded 8y agoMusk does seem to be exhibiting increasingly insecure, threatening, and chaotic behavior (e.g. Thailand). Admittedly I know nothing about the conduct or credibility of the blogger, but to me, “a guy on the Internet” is more credible than EM at the moment.
- nodesocket 8y agoHow can we substantiate this claim that Elon indeed called? I am very skeptical. There seems to be more and more fake news and flat out lying propagated on what used to be well respected forums.
- sn41 8y agoWow. So only positive hype about a company can be published. What's next? Suing shareholders who sell stocks instead of buying them?
- n_t 8y agoEarlier, I use to admire Elon and companies like Google, FB, etc. But as I learn more and as their behaviors are being exposed, I feel they are modern villains of society. Elon particularly has been very disappointing. Anyone willing to buy a pre-owned Tesla?
- Diederich 8y ago> Anyone willing to buy a pre-owned Tesla? Perhaps! Stats? Asking price?
- thephyber 8y agoIs there any competing reporting about what Musk said to the employer (not summarized by a financial adversary of Musk)? I read this as hearsay by a bitter rival who can get in one last parting shot to help his short position.