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There's actually another way entirely to do it - have the time in class for working and have the time after for actively learning. So the students read and lear

There's actually another way entirely to do it - have the time in class for working and have the time after for actively learning. So the students read and learn new concepts at home and practice them in group settings at school. Unfortunately, that depends on the home environment being conducive to learning.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> Unfortunately, that depends on the home environment being conducive to learning. So, in practice, does success in traditional school environments, even if the structure makes people think it should insulate from that concern. The problem with admitting that the home environment is the biggest key to academic success is that it means policy actually needs to focus on improving that environment which lots of people (for different reasons) have ideological objections to. So we pretend that school is isolated from home and that if we can just configure school right, we can get results while ignoring the home environment. And we blame any failures on doing the wrong things to the school environment, not the fact that we are focussing on the wrong environment.
bunderbunder 8y ago
A big part of the idea behind an inverted classroom model is to try and smooth over those problems. If a kid has a home environment that's not conducive to concentration, but they're just reading or watching videos or whatever in that time, then the damage is fairly limited and is something the teacher will get a chance to smooth over the next day. Whereas if they're supposed to be working on homework during that time, it will not only prevent them from cementing what they're supposed to be learning, there's not really any further recourse, and it will also immediately result in poor marks, which will then engender further trouble on down the line. Especially in the Taylorist nightmare that US schools have become over the past couple decades.
- gowld 8y ago
  The unspoken distinction you are making is that high-stakes homework is the problem. > Taylorist nightmare that US schools have become What's this? Schools have migrated toward standardized testing uber alles, not homework/classroom grades. Are you referring to the grade-level standards that don't allow students to progress at their own pace below grade level? That's not really a matter of homework vs not -- if a student can't learn the standard material in 6hr/day, then they either need to do homework, "fail" at school, or escape.
  - bunderbunder 8y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylorism

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Unfortunately, that depends on the home environment being conducive to learning. So, in practice, does success in traditional school environments, even if the structure makes people think it should insulate from that concern. The problem with admitting that the home environment is the biggest key to academic success is that it means policy actually needs to focus on improving that environment which lots of people (for different reasons) have ideological objections to. So we pretend that school is isolated from home and that if we can just configure school right, we can get results while ignoring the home environment. And we blame any failures on doing the wrong things to the school environment, not the fact that we are focussing on the wrong environment.

bunderbunder 8y ago

A big part of the idea behind an inverted classroom model is to try and smooth over those problems. If a kid has a home environment that's not conducive to concentration, but they're just reading or watching videos or whatever in that time, then the damage is fairly limited and is something the teacher will get a chance to smooth over the next day. Whereas if they're supposed to be working on homework during that time, it will not only prevent them from cementing what they're supposed to be learning, there's not really any further recourse, and it will also immediately result in poor marks, which will then engender further trouble on down the line. Especially in the Taylorist nightmare that US schools have become over the past couple decades.

gowld 8y ago
The unspoken distinction you are making is that high-stakes homework is the problem. > Taylorist nightmare that US schools have become What's this? Schools have migrated toward standardized testing uber alles, not homework/classroom grades. Are you referring to the grade-level standards that don't allow students to progress at their own pace below grade level? That's not really a matter of homework vs not -- if a student can't learn the standard material in 6hr/day, then they either need to do homework, "fail" at school, or escape.
- bunderbunder 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylorism