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Yikes, pretty bad showing by Apple here. They don't have the leeway that they did when they had Steve Jobs... they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need
by ggg9990 8y ago
Yikes, pretty bad showing by Apple here. They don't have the leeway that they did when they had Steve Jobs... they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need to be more careful in the future.
- tomp 8y ago> they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need to be more careful in the future. Does that really matter though? I was just discussing this with someone over the weekend... his thesis was that people buy Apple because of branding, which might be true as far as the majority of customers are concerned... But for people like me (powerusers), MacBooks are simply the best possible choice. Everything else is either adware (Windows 10), or not usable (Linux laptops lack deiver support (last I heard) You can’t install software on Chromebooks, Windows 7 doesn’t have a Unix subsystem). Not to mention that Apple hardware is beyond superior, and the software mostly just works (things like wi-fi, backups, sharing, ...)
- gaius 8y agoEverything else is either adware (Windows 10) I am running Windows 10 Pro on a Surface. I haven’t seen a single ad, anywhere. If that’s your only reason let me set your mind at rest. Surface is a better Mac than a Mac at this point. That’s why I upgraded my old MBP to one rather than a new MBP.
- chipotle_coyote 8y agoThe Surface is probably a great Surface, and you might prefer it to a Mac, but a Surface is a terrible Mac, for much the same reason a Mac is a terrible Surface.
- gaius 8y agoAs I say, I upgraded my MacBook Pro - for that is what MBP means - to a Surface, so I am quite familiar with both thanks. But by all means ignore my advice and pay through the nose for a device that is blatantly not fit for purpose, I'll be over here enjoying the superior computing experience that Steve Jobs would have wanted me to have!
- kalleboo 8y agoI bought a PC that came with Windows 10 pre-installed and the start menu had a bunch of ads for video games, photoshop and even a little picture of Trump in there https://i.imgur.com/WMLndK3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WMLndK3.jpg
- bhauer 8y agoPutting aside the stub applications that are promoting other products (e.g., "Get Office"), the Trump photo is just the News app showing a live tile view of the top story for the moment. Yes, the promotional app stubs are advertisements, but they're easily removed and don't re-appear. In my opinion, removing the tiles you don't want is closer to an act of operating system "customization" than the user experience with ads on the web.
- slededit 8y agoWindows now tells me my computer is at risk because I refuse to give all my data to OneDrive. Their rationale is I'm at risk for cryptolockers, but the ulterior motive is clear. I had to change a registry key to stop it from installing Facebook and Candy Crush on its own.
- earenndil 8y agoI've had no driver problems running linux on my laptop, just sayin.
- yulaow 8y agoSame, since 2009. Even got better battery than on windows (and by far since windows 10) But it's true that you better buy a laptop that you know has good support. eg: almost any dell, almost any asus, any thinkpad.
- sacheendra 8y agoAnother comment today mentioned the low quality of asus laptops. I have never owned one, but buying an apple laptop is supposed to relieve all these doubts about good brands, years and models.
- namibj 8y agoShow me a MacBook as robust as a T or W series Thinkpad. They play in the same price/performance class, except that the former has a fancy touchpad and the latter a trackpoint. And it is unlikely to break, and the non-touch versions come with a matte screen that actually works as long as you don't have the sun in your back. And even then, cleaning the screen from dust and increasing the contrast/gamma does wonders.
- matt4077 8y agoWasn't a Linux laptop with hibernation, sound, and wireless working at the same time one of the UN's Millenium Goals?
- verylittlemeat 8y agoIt's pretty trivial to disable all of the telemetry in windows 10. I'm not saying microsoft should get a pass for such nonsense but it's a little over the top to act like windows 10 is DOA botnet.
- xvector 8y agoWhether it's trivial is irrelevant. It should never need to be done. Ads and tracking in the default OS is a scummy move by Microsoft.
- verylittlemeat 8y agoUbuntu did it with Amazon. Mozilla did it with Pocket. I'm sure there are endless other examples. Dismissing windows 10 as merely "adware" is inflammatory to the point of meaninglessness. It's really the kind of rhetoric I would expect on /g/ not here. The OP has also been rightly called out by others for his broad dismissal of linux.
- xvector 8y agoI agree that Windows 10 should not be dismissed as adware. But just because Ubuntu and Mozilla did it doesn't make it right. It's something that absolutely shouldn't happen in the first place. Microsoft does not need to default to invasive tracking and ads in the default UX, and there's no question that it's an anti-consumer move in the first place.
- tomp 8y agoYou're right, it's not exactly adware. Adware is software that's supported by ads. Windows 10 users pay for it, and also get the ads (for free!), so technically it's worse than adware.
- paavoova 8y agoYou claim to be a "poweruser", but then go and speak out of pure ignorance when it comes to Linux. You say "Apple hardware is beyond superior", when in reality Apple glorifies form over function with soldered, unserviceable parts (and actively lobbies against self-repair), and removal of ports (very anti-poweruser, if you ask me), all of which turn their laptops into disposable gadgets meant for the consumer demographic first and foremost. I'll say Apple displays are great, though. Your comment about "just works" betrays your preference for abstraction (once again, not a very "poweruser" sentiment), and shows ignorance (Wi-fi: macOS maintains a whitelist of wifi adapters, to the annoyance of "hackintosh" builders, and has far less wifi support than any Linux distribution. Backups: Why would you ever want to abstract this to some software interface? There's too many tools to name which you can levy for your needs on Linux, e.g. rsync, tar. Sharing: SSH). "Poweruser"? No, I feel the more accurate term would be power-consumer.
- tomp 8y ago> "Poweruser"? No, I feel the more accurate term would be power-consumer. Possibly. I guess there are many different kinds of powerusers. The interpretation I had in mind is that I use the computer (1) a lot, (2) not just for internet/media consumption, and (3) I use it to program so I want/need easy accessibility to many software packages (which is a problem on Windows, IME). Just because I can solve all of the problems/configuration and use all the low-level backup/networking tools, it doesn't mean that I want to (it's just not worth my time).
- paavoova 8y agoIf you use computers "a lot", the percentage of time required to learning a select few Linux userspace administrative tools, as well as the time dedicated to configuration and maintenance, is less than nothing compared to time spent on general everyday usage. The common perception that Linux is a timesink is false (not to mention most things are very much plug-and-play nowadays, e.g. networking via DHCP). And the benefits in doing so are huge, in that you now control your needs using a variety of independent tools, as opposed to the far more locked-in, proprietary solutions that Apple offers. I simply disagree with your claim that Macbooks are the best option for so-called power-users when on multiple aspects from hardware to software they're not. Macbooks/The Apple ecosystem is A choice, not THE choice.
- mikhailt 8y agoThey had the same issues before Steve Jobs, 99% of people seriously do not care or even knew about this. What's more important is fixing and moving on to the next problem. Technologies are so complex nowadays that it is becoming virtually impossible to produce anything without issues.
- ggg9990 8y agoThey had the issues with Steve Jobs but they also had Steve Jobs to save their ass.
- mikhailt 8y agoAnd yet, we've survived more "gates" without Jobs in the past few years as well. Batterygate recently, or bendgate?
- reaperducer 8y agoI always felt "bendgate" was a non-issue. Just a bunch of hipsters who were too dumb to understand that you don't put a phone in the back pocket of your skinny jeans. It's a slab of glass. What kind of person thinks that's a good idea?