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I guess technical recruiters will never be any good until you find ex software developers to be technical recruiters - and I can't think you'd find many softwar

by smiler 16y ago

I guess technical recruiters will never be any good until you find ex software developers to be technical recruiters - and I can't think you'd find many software developers willing to do that. I am convinced there are still many ways for recruiting to be fixed by disruptive startups

KoZeN 16y ago
I am convinced there are still many ways for recruiting to be fixed by disruptive startups I couldn't agree more. I've been actively trying to tackle this problem, so far without success, for a while now.
- smiler 16y ago
  I notice you're a recruiter in the UK. I'm not in London / SE - are you seeing many companies accept remote workers? (I'm in the East Midlands, currently a remote worker, and don't want to give that up)
  - KoZeN 16y ago
    To be honest, I'm not seeing a huge amount of remote working opportunities at the moment. I can't really explain the trend but for the last 6 months I've only had 1 or 2 remote working roles.
- ig1 16y ago
  I'm working on a developer recruitment based startup at the moment, if you want to grab coffee sometime give me a shout. I'm not in London at the moment but I should be shortly (i.e. as soon as I can find somewhere in London to live !)
  - KoZeN 16y ago
    Sounds like a plan. One point on your site though: Brand has huge influence when trying to hire the best, so unlike recruiters we don't hide your brand. There are two reasons why recruiters don't advertise company names: 1) They don't want the competition muscling in. 2) A lot of companies don't want their brand advertised as they don't want the competition to know that they are hiring at certain levels and they also don't want to be pestered by other agencies who spotted the advert and are trying to pitch their services.
    - ig1 16y ago
      And the third reason: to stop the candidate going direct to the company. But from a candidates viewpoint they don't really care what reason the recruiter has for hiding the company name, it takes away valuable information from them when looking at job ads. There are always going to be some companies who prefer not to be named (stealth hedge funds, etc.) but I think they're in a relatively small minority. I suspect for the most part avoiding letting the competition know what you're hiring for is fairly pointless, as the first thing your recruiter is going to do is to call the best potential candidates and pitch them the job. And as it turns out the best potential candidates are often most likely to be working for your competitors. When I was working in investment banking and got a call for a recruiter hiring for a rival trading desk I frequently pumped them for information which we could use for our own advantage. I'm pretty sure everyone else does that as well.
krane_6d7 16y ago
I think a recruiting firm with no technical skills should contract out preliminary interview process to actual software developers. Their task should be weed out any fakers and improve quality. The paid compensation on a part time basis would attract developers to get involved. It would be one or two interviews per day which would not steal time from their day job and put some extra dough into their pockets. Win-Win for both.
- ghotli 16y ago
  Funny you say that. I've often thought about selling my interviewing skills to other companies. They tell me I'm pretty good at it. Sign me up. Actually I want to trade interviewing skills with someone who knows how to hire a good mathematician. I've been worried about how to approach interviewing the statistician that I intend to hire eventually.

by smiler 16y ago

KoZeN 16y ago

I am convinced there are still many ways for recruiting to be fixed by disruptive startups I couldn't agree more. I've been actively trying to tackle this problem, so far without success, for a while now.

smiler 16y ago
I notice you're a recruiter in the UK. I'm not in London / SE - are you seeing many companies accept remote workers? (I'm in the East Midlands, currently a remote worker, and don't want to give that up)
- KoZeN 16y ago
  To be honest, I'm not seeing a huge amount of remote working opportunities at the moment. I can't really explain the trend but for the last 6 months I've only had 1 or 2 remote working roles.
ig1 16y ago
I'm working on a developer recruitment based startup at the moment, if you want to grab coffee sometime give me a shout. I'm not in London at the moment but I should be shortly (i.e. as soon as I can find somewhere in London to live !)
- KoZeN 16y ago
  Sounds like a plan. One point on your site though: Brand has huge influence when trying to hire the best, so unlike recruiters we don't hide your brand. There are two reasons why recruiters don't advertise company names: 1) They don't want the competition muscling in. 2) A lot of companies don't want their brand advertised as they don't want the competition to know that they are hiring at certain levels and they also don't want to be pestered by other agencies who spotted the advert and are trying to pitch their services.
  - ig1 16y ago
    And the third reason: to stop the candidate going direct to the company. But from a candidates viewpoint they don't really care what reason the recruiter has for hiding the company name, it takes away valuable information from them when looking at job ads. There are always going to be some companies who prefer not to be named (stealth hedge funds, etc.) but I think they're in a relatively small minority. I suspect for the most part avoiding letting the competition know what you're hiring for is fairly pointless, as the first thing your recruiter is going to do is to call the best potential candidates and pitch them the job. And as it turns out the best potential candidates are often most likely to be working for your competitors. When I was working in investment banking and got a call for a recruiter hiring for a rival trading desk I frequently pumped them for information which we could use for our own advantage. I'm pretty sure everyone else does that as well.

krane_6d7 16y ago

I think a recruiting firm with no technical skills should contract out preliminary interview process to actual software developers. Their task should be weed out any fakers and improve quality. The paid compensation on a part time basis would attract developers to get involved. It would be one or two interviews per day which would not steal time from their day job and put some extra dough into their pockets. Win-Win for both.

ghotli 16y ago
Funny you say that. I've often thought about selling my interviewing skills to other companies. They tell me I'm pretty good at it. Sign me up. Actually I want to trade interviewing skills with someone who knows how to hire a good mathematician. I've been worried about how to approach interviewing the statistician that I intend to hire eventually.