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Venezuela has blacklisted people for a long time who belong to any opposition political party from holding jobs (and not just government ones). The brain drain

Venezuela has blacklisted people for a long time who belong to any opposition political party from holding jobs (and not just government ones). The brain drain they have experienced is insane. That's not really like Denmark or Sweden at all.

RugnirViking 8y ago
Indeed. But that fact alone makes them a terrible government, but not communist or socialist.
meiraleal 8y ago
The Brazilian right wing government put in jail the candidate that is in the top of voting intentions for president. Brazil is a real dictatorship, Venezuela isn't, as their "political" prisoners were responsible for more than a hundred of deaths.
- slig 8y ago
  Can you please support all your claims with sources? I'm Brazilian and what you said is absolutely nonsense.
  - meiraleal 8y ago
    "(...) a Brazilian appeals court sentenced the former president to 12 years in prison for corruption – a polarizing and controversial verdict Lula supporters see as a politically motivated attempt to derail his campaign." http://theconversation.com/brazilian-candidate-still-crushing-his-rivals-from-jail-95634 http://theconversation.com/brazilian-candidate-still-crushin...
    - slig 8y ago
      A court of law sentencing someone after years of proper judgment procedures is very different from a dictatorship jailing an opposition candidate.
      - meiraleal 8y ago
        With the exception that there is no proof of the alleged crime and he is in jail before his recourse was judged, in another case his Habeas Corpus was accepted by a judge and illegally not executed by government workers. Also, he is illegally under solitary confinement and frequently, the Justice doesn't let even his lawyers have access to him. A true blue political prisoner.
        slig 8y ago
        Of course he has access to his lawyers. See this source in Portuguese https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/haddad-passa-a-ser-advogado-de-lula-e-amplia-dias-visita https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/haddad-passa-a-ser-... The former São Paulo mayor, who is also a lawyer and form the same party as Lula, will have access to Lula (now his client) any day of the week.
- throwaway37585 8y ago
  > Brazil is a real dictatorship, Venezuela isn't What's your evidence for this outrageous claim?
  - meiraleal 8y ago
    Venezuela has a legitimate elected president, Brazil ousted a honest one and put a corrupt in the seat through a coup d'etat. Not coincidentally, he is selling with a big discount all national companies and resources, what Maduro and Venezuela will never do.
    - throwaway37585 8y ago
      > Venezuela has a legitimate elected president You mean an illegitimate president: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2018#Conduct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_electi.... > Brazil ousted a honest one You mean a corrupt one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#Request_for_impeachment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#.... > through a coup d'etat Through impeachment by a supermajority of the lower house and the upper house: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#Senate_vote_on_suspension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#.... > what Maduro and Venezuela will never do Yeah, he's too busy expropriating what's left of Venezuela's wealth for himself. > as their "political" prisoners were responsible for more than a hundred of deaths Where the fuck are you getting this from? Stop pulling lies out of your ass.
      - dang 8y ago
        Personal attacks are a bannable offense on HN. So is using the site primarily for political battle. You've done these things so many times already—and so egregiously—that we've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

RugnirViking 8y ago

Indeed. But that fact alone makes them a terrible government, but not communist or socialist.

meiraleal 8y ago

The Brazilian right wing government put in jail the candidate that is in the top of voting intentions for president. Brazil is a real dictatorship, Venezuela isn't, as their "political" prisoners were responsible for more than a hundred of deaths.

slig 8y ago
Can you please support all your claims with sources? I'm Brazilian and what you said is absolutely nonsense.
- meiraleal 8y ago
  "(...) a Brazilian appeals court sentenced the former president to 12 years in prison for corruption – a polarizing and controversial verdict Lula supporters see as a politically motivated attempt to derail his campaign." http://theconversation.com/brazilian-candidate-still-crushing-his-rivals-from-jail-95634 http://theconversation.com/brazilian-candidate-still-crushin...
  - slig 8y ago
    A court of law sentencing someone after years of proper judgment procedures is very different from a dictatorship jailing an opposition candidate.
    - meiraleal 8y ago
      With the exception that there is no proof of the alleged crime and he is in jail before his recourse was judged, in another case his Habeas Corpus was accepted by a judge and illegally not executed by government workers. Also, he is illegally under solitary confinement and frequently, the Justice doesn't let even his lawyers have access to him. A true blue political prisoner.
      - slig 8y ago
        Of course he has access to his lawyers. See this source in Portuguese https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/haddad-passa-a-ser-advogado-de-lula-e-amplia-dias-visita https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/haddad-passa-a-ser-... The former São Paulo mayor, who is also a lawyer and form the same party as Lula, will have access to Lula (now his client) any day of the week.
throwaway37585 8y ago
> Brazil is a real dictatorship, Venezuela isn't What's your evidence for this outrageous claim?
- meiraleal 8y ago
  Venezuela has a legitimate elected president, Brazil ousted a honest one and put a corrupt in the seat through a coup d'etat. Not coincidentally, he is selling with a big discount all national companies and resources, what Maduro and Venezuela will never do.
  - throwaway37585 8y ago
    > Venezuela has a legitimate elected president You mean an illegitimate president: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2018#Conduct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_electi.... > Brazil ousted a honest one You mean a corrupt one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#Request_for_impeachment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#.... > through a coup d'etat Through impeachment by a supermajority of the lower house and the upper house: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#Senate_vote_on_suspension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Dilma_Rousseff#.... > what Maduro and Venezuela will never do Yeah, he's too busy expropriating what's left of Venezuela's wealth for himself. > as their "political" prisoners were responsible for more than a hundred of deaths Where the fuck are you getting this from? Stop pulling lies out of your ass.
    - dang 8y ago
      Personal attacks are a bannable offense on HN. So is using the site primarily for political battle. You've done these things so many times already—and so egregiously—that we've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.