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Rules of the macroscopic world do not apply to the subatomic (or even molecular) world. There are no two identical elephants in the world. On the other hand, yo
by okket 8y ago
Rules of the macroscopic world do not apply to the subatomic (or even molecular) world. There are no two identical elephants in the world. On the other hand, you will have a hard time to tell two electrons or even two molecules of the same configuration apart from another.
A total empty region, void of any atoms etc., still contains 'quantum noise' and thus virtual particles. The world, the universe as we know it so far has become inconceivable without this observation, known as the uncertainty principle.
I find the argument quite convincing.
- naasking 8y ago> The world, the universe as we know it so far has become inconceivable without this observation, known as the uncertainty principle. Not really, deterministic interpretations of QM don't require such mental contortions.
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- BoiledCabbage 8y agoI'm far from an expert but any deterministic interpretation of QM (including the popular De Broglie–Bohm) is required to still maintain the uncertainty principle - otherwise it would be falsified by showing it conflicts with the results of hundreds of known experiments.
- naasking 8y agoYes, but it violates the original claim that rules of the macroscopic world don't apply in this realm. de Broglie-Bohm is a classical theory with a extra term to account for quantum behaviour. The field theory covering "quantum noise", the existence of virtual particles, and the vacuum is also completely different.
- NihilumExNil 8y agoOld shaky hands aiming a looking glass at one of two moving elephants standing close by each other would tell a different story, perhaps. I'm not sure how well established Virtual Quantum Noise is, but saying that an empty place contains this is just wrong. If it has an effect in the propagation of a real particle in to said space, it wouldn't be empty anymore. That's confusing, and it might be helpful to note that these quantum fluctuations happen on the boundaries of the space, not just everywhere (and if they did, they wouldn't matter any more than my imaginary friend the pink elephant Safr riding the fluctuations). You are talking of black holes, by the way, aren't you?
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- pixl97 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
- NihilumExNil 8y agoI did say "on the boundaries", though
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