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I am really frustrated about this TBH. It is so incredibly obvious to me that it is a bad idea. Any time you spend looking down is time where the state of the c

by raynr 8y ago

I am really frustrated about this TBH. It is so incredibly obvious to me that it is a bad idea. Any time you spend looking down is time where the state of the cars around you are out of your view, and when you look back up, you have to take a split second to update your mental model of everything around you. A lot can happen in a split second, at 90kph you cover 25m in a second. This is one of me and the SO's major bug bears. All the new cars sold here are touch screen only for everything, including climate control. The thing is, people keep buying these because they show well in the showroom. Car manufacturers only import certain models in and they'll import what sells. Pretty soon I couldn't buy a non touch screen controlled model if I wanted to. What is the solution? It's illegal to check your phone while driving because it's a distraction, maybe ban touch screens?

sbr464 8y ago
One feature that irks me on my 2017 Honda Civic: Activate right turn signal, the main screen changes to right side camera feed, to help with the blind spot, very useful. When activating the left turn signal, there is no left camera or activation on the screen, you need to use traditional driving skills and just look. Nothing wrong with traditional skills, but I liken this to arbitrarily swapping around cancel/save buttons in UI/UX. There are still blind spots on the driver side that could be obliterated by a wide angle video feed, but some PM has decided for me, for whatever reason, that I need to use two completely different driving strategies in real time. First world problem I realize.
- raynr 8y ago
  Just curious, which side do you drive on? Could it be that the problem that the random PM was looking to be solved is that the "harder" side (e.g. the one where your blind spot is partially obscured by the front passenger seat head rest) needs an assist? I have mixed thoughts on driver assist technologies. A Honda Jazz I drove once has the rear parking assist camera slightly off centre, so you park off centre if you rely on it. I didn't use it ever again. A Kia Sorento I drove once had blind spot audio sensors on both sides - if you signalled, the car would gently tell you if there was something at or near your blind spot. Great... except you should be checking your blind spot anyway, right? I ended up ignoring it. On the other hand, proximity sensors seem to me to be very useful for parallel parking in tight spaces. I'd miss it if it were gone. I'm not sure what the consistent factor in all of these things are.
  - sbr464 8y ago
    US driver, right lane. It’s weird because I don’t drive a lot currently, and the camera/screen tech is new to me. But I noticed my driving habits changed with reliance on the camera feed. So having to switch between analog/traditional driving skills and heavily assisted new skills just felt weird. Definitely applying UI/UX over thinking but can’t help it since it’s what I do.
- PhantomGremlin 8y ago
  Don't worry, Honda has solved your problem. The "LaneWatch" feature (the right side camera) was prominent on the Accord from 2013 to 2017. But it's gone in the 2018 model. I'm sure it will also disappear from the Civic when the platform is updated. So, just wait a few years and buy a new Civic without the camera. Which is too bad for us. Because my wife and I both love the feature on our Accord. It's a lot safer than craning your head back to see if a car is in the passenger side blind spot. When you're 20-something it's a lot easier to turn your head back to look in the blind spot than to do that when you're 60-something. We have the 2013 Accord and thought seriously of buying one of the remaining 2017 models on dealer lots just to keep this feature. That's how valuable it is to my wife. AKA Different strokes for different folks. I do agree with your lament about how the interaction is different between left vs right lane changes. The UI is much different. But I personally had no problem getting used to the feature. Perhaps that's perhaps because I had 40+ years of driving experience with the old method. So, adding a new method was simple. And the key word is "adding". Only one of our cars has the feature so we still need to use the old method on the other cars. Aside: when you're in suburbia and stores and schools are all miles away, you will have multiple cars. Perhaps even a minivan. :)
  - bdcravens 8y ago
    The 2018’s blind spot detection works great for that purpose, but you are relying on feedback (generally a beep), not a video feed

by raynr 8y ago

sbr464 8y ago

One feature that irks me on my 2017 Honda Civic: Activate right turn signal, the main screen changes to right side camera feed, to help with the blind spot, very useful. When activating the left turn signal, there is no left camera or activation on the screen, you need to use traditional driving skills and just look. Nothing wrong with traditional skills, but I liken this to arbitrarily swapping around cancel/save buttons in UI/UX. There are still blind spots on the driver side that could be obliterated by a wide angle video feed, but some PM has decided for me, for whatever reason, that I need to use two completely different driving strategies in real time. First world problem I realize.

raynr 8y ago
Just curious, which side do you drive on? Could it be that the problem that the random PM was looking to be solved is that the "harder" side (e.g. the one where your blind spot is partially obscured by the front passenger seat head rest) needs an assist? I have mixed thoughts on driver assist technologies. A Honda Jazz I drove once has the rear parking assist camera slightly off centre, so you park off centre if you rely on it. I didn't use it ever again. A Kia Sorento I drove once had blind spot audio sensors on both sides - if you signalled, the car would gently tell you if there was something at or near your blind spot. Great... except you should be checking your blind spot anyway, right? I ended up ignoring it. On the other hand, proximity sensors seem to me to be very useful for parallel parking in tight spaces. I'd miss it if it were gone. I'm not sure what the consistent factor in all of these things are.
- sbr464 8y ago
  US driver, right lane. It’s weird because I don’t drive a lot currently, and the camera/screen tech is new to me. But I noticed my driving habits changed with reliance on the camera feed. So having to switch between analog/traditional driving skills and heavily assisted new skills just felt weird. Definitely applying UI/UX over thinking but can’t help it since it’s what I do.
PhantomGremlin 8y ago
Don't worry, Honda has solved your problem. The "LaneWatch" feature (the right side camera) was prominent on the Accord from 2013 to 2017. But it's gone in the 2018 model. I'm sure it will also disappear from the Civic when the platform is updated. So, just wait a few years and buy a new Civic without the camera. Which is too bad for us. Because my wife and I both love the feature on our Accord. It's a lot safer than craning your head back to see if a car is in the passenger side blind spot. When you're 20-something it's a lot easier to turn your head back to look in the blind spot than to do that when you're 60-something. We have the 2013 Accord and thought seriously of buying one of the remaining 2017 models on dealer lots just to keep this feature. That's how valuable it is to my wife. AKA Different strokes for different folks. I do agree with your lament about how the interaction is different between left vs right lane changes. The UI is much different. But I personally had no problem getting used to the feature. Perhaps that's perhaps because I had 40+ years of driving experience with the old method. So, adding a new method was simple. And the key word is "adding". Only one of our cars has the feature so we still need to use the old method on the other cars. Aside: when you're in suburbia and stores and schools are all miles away, you will have multiple cars. Perhaps even a minivan. :)
- bdcravens 8y ago
  The 2018’s blind spot detection works great for that purpose, but you are relying on feedback (generally a beep), not a video feed