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Exceptionalism makes it really difficult to engage with conversations about US politics where you try to say, "It doens't have to be this way!" but get told tha

Exceptionalism makes it really difficult to engage with conversations about US politics where you try to say, "It doens't have to be this way!" but get told that the US is somehow different to every other developed nation and couldn't possibly apply what works elsewhere. This happens across the US political specturm, whether about their tax system, banking system, gun reform, electoral reform, and many other issues; it's a frequent refrain that the US is so different it can't learn from others. As a US citizen who is resident elsewhere it is infuriating to watch.

Swizec 8y ago
As the popular Onion headline says: “No way to prevent this says only nation where this regularly happens”
zeveb 8y ago
> This happens across the US political specturm, whether about their tax system, banking system, gun reform, electoral reform, and many other issues; it's a frequent refrain that the US is so different it can't learn from others. Alternatively, it's a frequent refrain that the U.S. _should_ learn from others, which is e.g. why we should preserve our federal system, electoral system and rights. I think it's a _good_ thing that the several states are separate sovereigns from the United States, and I think it's a good thing that the states are entirely reliant on the United States for their budgets (and in fact, those places where they are reliant, e.g. the highway budget, have led to anti-federal things like a uniform drinking age, something which is 100% not the business of the United States government).
- taejo 8y ago
  States learning from each other is good, but there's no reason to restrict that learning to other states within the same Union (which for cultural and numerical reasons are more homogenous than the total population of all states). If the United States looks only inwards, however, there's nobody left to learn from in terms of how to run a Union, since there is only one United States, and its powers and responsibilities are (because of federalism) quite different from those of the states.
- WorkLifeBalance 8y ago
  I am happy if someone claims that something politically isn't possible in the US. (Gun control may be a good example) I can't claim otherwise, my issue is when instead of arguing that, someone claims that a measure wouldn't have the same outcome in the US or technically isn't possible in the US without any evidence of such. It shifts the blame from the current politics which is something people can engage with to "reasons out of anyone's control", which just helps maintain status quo.
  - UncleEntity 8y ago
    > ...or technically isn't possible in the US without any evidence of such. Most of the times it comes down to constitutional issues in which case they are technically not possible. Case in hand; the federal government has no constitutional right to prevent the states from collecting taxes -- which would be required for there to be one official Collector of Taxes for all the states.

Swizec 8y ago

As the popular Onion headline says: “No way to prevent this says only nation where this regularly happens”

zeveb 8y ago

> This happens across the US political specturm, whether about their tax system, banking system, gun reform, electoral reform, and many other issues; it's a frequent refrain that the US is so different it can't learn from others. Alternatively, it's a frequent refrain that the U.S. _should_ learn from others, which is e.g. why we should preserve our federal system, electoral system and rights. I think it's a _good_ thing that the several states are separate sovereigns from the United States, and I think it's a good thing that the states are entirely reliant on the United States for their budgets (and in fact, those places where they are reliant, e.g. the highway budget, have led to anti-federal things like a uniform drinking age, something which is 100% not the business of the United States government).

taejo 8y ago
States learning from each other is good, but there's no reason to restrict that learning to other states within the same Union (which for cultural and numerical reasons are more homogenous than the total population of all states). If the United States looks only inwards, however, there's nobody left to learn from in terms of how to run a Union, since there is only one United States, and its powers and responsibilities are (because of federalism) quite different from those of the states.
WorkLifeBalance 8y ago
I am happy if someone claims that something politically isn't possible in the US. (Gun control may be a good example) I can't claim otherwise, my issue is when instead of arguing that, someone claims that a measure wouldn't have the same outcome in the US or technically isn't possible in the US without any evidence of such. It shifts the blame from the current politics which is something people can engage with to "reasons out of anyone's control", which just helps maintain status quo.
- UncleEntity 8y ago
  > ...or technically isn't possible in the US without any evidence of such. Most of the times it comes down to constitutional issues in which case they are technically not possible. Case in hand; the federal government has no constitutional right to prevent the states from collecting taxes -- which would be required for there to be one official Collector of Taxes for all the states.