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> The jury is still out on microkernels being "gravely ill-advised". Fuchsia, for example, is a modern microkernel that works quite well. They could have said

> The jury is still out on microkernels being "gravely ill-advised". Fuchsia, for example, is a modern microkernel that works quite well. They could have said "gravely ill-adopted". You know what they meant and are grinding your personal axe here... Microkernels for all their promise aren't in widespread use. Engineers with a resume headline "I build monolithic kernel operating systems for fun" vs "I build microkernel operating systems for fun" will have significant hiring delta biased towards the monolithic specialists.

meken 8y ago
I think if you have the title "I build X kernel operating systems for fun" as a resume headline, you are in high demand regardless of X.
pcwalton 8y ago
> Engineers with a resume headline "I build monolithic kernel operating systems for fun" vs "I build microkernel operating systems for fun" will have significant hiring delta biased towards the monolithic specialists. No, they won't.
jdub 8y ago
Practically every modern phone platform happens to include a microkernel. Pretty widespread.
JdeBP 8y ago
> Microkernels for all their promise aren't in widespread use. Ah, you haven't heard about MINIX, the operating system used in the ME in modern Intel chipsets and possibly now one of the most widely deployed operating systems on the planet. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15642116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15642116 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15634014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15634014 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15697888 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15697888 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15641592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15641592
- oblio 8y ago
  The thing that everyone hates and wishes wasn't there?
  - pcwalton 8y ago
    It would be worse if it were a monolithic kernel. If you're going to deploy an always-on OS in the firmware, you should at least use an OS that obeys a sensible principle of least privilege.

meken 8y ago

I think if you have the title "I build X kernel operating systems for fun" as a resume headline, you are in high demand regardless of X.

pcwalton 8y ago

> Engineers with a resume headline "I build monolithic kernel operating systems for fun" vs "I build microkernel operating systems for fun" will have significant hiring delta biased towards the monolithic specialists. No, they won't.

jdub 8y ago

Practically every modern phone platform happens to include a microkernel. Pretty widespread.

JdeBP 8y ago

> Microkernels for all their promise aren't in widespread use. Ah, you haven't heard about MINIX, the operating system used in the ME in modern Intel chipsets and possibly now one of the most widely deployed operating systems on the planet. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15642116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15642116 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15634014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15634014 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15697888 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15697888 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15641592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15641592

oblio 8y ago
The thing that everyone hates and wishes wasn't there?
- pcwalton 8y ago
  It would be worse if it were a monolithic kernel. If you're going to deploy an always-on OS in the firmware, you should at least use an OS that obeys a sensible principle of least privilege.