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First off, the official narrative is that he passed them off to reporters. Secondly, what in the releases in the intercept public releases specifically compels

First off, the official narrative is that he passed them off to reporters. Secondly, what in the releases in the intercept public releases specifically compels you to want to see more classified info? I might suggest a military path if you want a strong chance to be in the intelligence community, then you can be privy to sensitive info that is need to know. If you believe info should be free I respect your right to believe in that and the service members of our military also fight for your right to do so as well, while keeping classified info private.

woodman 8y ago
> ...and the service members of our military also fight for your right to do so as well, while keeping classified info private. Combat vet reporting in: you have my permission to view the rest of the Snowden documents. While secrecy does have a role in operational security - taken too far it does much more harm than good. I'll never forget the news rolling in about the leak, and how vindicated many security folks (including myself) felt in regard to how insane the surveillance apparatus had become. It was hilarious watching them drip feed the leak, see the predictable government lie, then see the next leak proving that the government just lied.
- hsienmaneja 8y ago
  Most people in the military I speak to absolutely have the opposite conviction. In fact all of the people with whom I’ve acquainted myself are against the Snowden leaks. Maybe it’s geographical. I’m talking to people in my state only. My take on the follow up leaks is that they were chosen to give the impression of a trail to something much more insidious, but were actually picked in some attempt to obtain maximum impact in embarrassing United States. Also, why would you want classified info that’s not related to domestic surveillance shenanigans leaked to the public? Everything that has been released since the initial revelations seems to be related to military operations. Maybe I’m missing something.
  - woodman 8y ago
    Most of the people I served with share my conviction. It likely has less to do with geography and more to do with experience and culture. I fought in Fallujah as a Marine infantry machinegunner, and did a bunch of S2 work as well. You know what good the NSA and CIA did us? None. I can't tell you the number of times we were sent of wild goose chases for Zarqawi by an intel echelon above battalion... So nothing Snowden leaked would have touched operations in the al-Anbar province. Manning on the other hand... he leaked fresh company level operation logs - which I certainly disagree with. It is a very strange experience to be able to go through wikileaks and find mission debriefs that I submitted over a decade ago. > ...obtain maximum impact in embarrassing United States. That only worked because the government repeatedly lied in an attempt to minimize the last leak, only to be proven a liar with the next leak. That wasn't the ultimate goal though, just a hilarious side effect. The ultimate goal was to dominate as many news cycles as possible, because the public has a limited attention span. > Maybe I’m missing something. You are. The NSA is so incredibly tilted toward offensive operations that it is ridiculous. They've so inundated themselves with surveillance data that they've got analysis paralysis and can't effectively use the data for its stated objective. It makes no sense for the US to dominate in offensive cyber operations, because we have no technological peer... unless the NSA is cool with industrial espionage. [0] That effort should instead be redirected to defense, which is supposedly a mission of the NSA, because of the asymmetrical relationship between the difficulties in exploitation and hardening. Any banana republic can gather a team of hackers and electrical engineers, but it takes some serious resources to harden code and infrastructure. This is the reason why we stopped pursuing biological weapon development and shifted to an unmatched defensive posture. [0] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...
    - hsienmaneja 8y ago
      Thanks for your insights. May I ask why you believe too much info is leading to analysis paralysis? Because of Binney or Snowden? Also, I read the document just now that Snowden leaked related to the corporate espionage. What our IC was doing is nothing compared to the broad theft other cultures engage in without any moral concern as a matter of course in that culture. I find Snowden and Greenwald leaking such a document to be hugely offensive and anti-American. The intercept’s analysis of some “subversion of society” is totally overblown. Such an underworld of spies is bound to be dirty and the general public doesn’t know enough of the reality to understand that. I believe in the American way and disagree that we should not have an offensive cyber strategy as well, but agree about fortifying (and reinventing) our defenses. Offensive biological strategy is something different, not seeing the parallel. As for your insights about Iraq I’ll ask around. Good to get your info here.

woodman 8y ago

> ...and the service members of our military also fight for your right to do so as well, while keeping classified info private. Combat vet reporting in: you have my permission to view the rest of the Snowden documents. While secrecy does have a role in operational security - taken too far it does much more harm than good. I'll never forget the news rolling in about the leak, and how vindicated many security folks (including myself) felt in regard to how insane the surveillance apparatus had become. It was hilarious watching them drip feed the leak, see the predictable government lie, then see the next leak proving that the government just lied.

hsienmaneja 8y ago
Most people in the military I speak to absolutely have the opposite conviction. In fact all of the people with whom I’ve acquainted myself are against the Snowden leaks. Maybe it’s geographical. I’m talking to people in my state only. My take on the follow up leaks is that they were chosen to give the impression of a trail to something much more insidious, but were actually picked in some attempt to obtain maximum impact in embarrassing United States. Also, why would you want classified info that’s not related to domestic surveillance shenanigans leaked to the public? Everything that has been released since the initial revelations seems to be related to military operations. Maybe I’m missing something.
- woodman 8y ago
  Most of the people I served with share my conviction. It likely has less to do with geography and more to do with experience and culture. I fought in Fallujah as a Marine infantry machinegunner, and did a bunch of S2 work as well. You know what good the NSA and CIA did us? None. I can't tell you the number of times we were sent of wild goose chases for Zarqawi by an intel echelon above battalion... So nothing Snowden leaked would have touched operations in the al-Anbar province. Manning on the other hand... he leaked fresh company level operation logs - which I certainly disagree with. It is a very strange experience to be able to go through wikileaks and find mission debriefs that I submitted over a decade ago. > ...obtain maximum impact in embarrassing United States. That only worked because the government repeatedly lied in an attempt to minimize the last leak, only to be proven a liar with the next leak. That wasn't the ultimate goal though, just a hilarious side effect. The ultimate goal was to dominate as many news cycles as possible, because the public has a limited attention span. > Maybe I’m missing something. You are. The NSA is so incredibly tilted toward offensive operations that it is ridiculous. They've so inundated themselves with surveillance data that they've got analysis paralysis and can't effectively use the data for its stated objective. It makes no sense for the US to dominate in offensive cyber operations, because we have no technological peer... unless the NSA is cool with industrial espionage. [0] That effort should instead be redirected to defense, which is supposedly a mission of the NSA, because of the asymmetrical relationship between the difficulties in exploitation and hardening. Any banana republic can gather a team of hackers and electrical engineers, but it takes some serious resources to harden code and infrastructure. This is the reason why we stopped pursuing biological weapon development and shifted to an unmatched defensive posture. [0] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...
  - hsienmaneja 8y ago
    Thanks for your insights. May I ask why you believe too much info is leading to analysis paralysis? Because of Binney or Snowden? Also, I read the document just now that Snowden leaked related to the corporate espionage. What our IC was doing is nothing compared to the broad theft other cultures engage in without any moral concern as a matter of course in that culture. I find Snowden and Greenwald leaking such a document to be hugely offensive and anti-American. The intercept’s analysis of some “subversion of society” is totally overblown. Such an underworld of spies is bound to be dirty and the general public doesn’t know enough of the reality to understand that. I believe in the American way and disagree that we should not have an offensive cyber strategy as well, but agree about fortifying (and reinventing) our defenses. Offensive biological strategy is something different, not seeing the parallel. As for your insights about Iraq I’ll ask around. Good to get your info here.