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I don’t mean for this to sound callous, but 49 people over 3 years seems like a fairly small number, and I can’t think of any realistic solution to this that wo

I don’t mean for this to sound callous, but 49 people over 3 years seems like a fairly small number, and I can’t think of any realistic solution to this that wouldn’t involve stripping someone of their rights based solely on the fact that they were ‘reported to the police’.

btilly 8y ago
The numbers would have seen significant improvement if they merely took seriously, "reported to police and has a prior conviction on the books". Would that be too tall an order for you?
DanBC 8y ago
No-one is asking for people to be stripped of their rights based on a single report to police. They're asking for better enforcement of non-contact orders (which are granted by judges, in court), especially in cases where the person already has a conviction for violence. 49 is a small number, but these are all preventable deaths and they're all a result of a system that fails to protect victims of domestic violence.
- djrogers 8y ago
  Nothing in the article indicates any non-contact orders were issued or violated here - I think you’re reading in to this
kelnage 8y ago
Based on previous recorded homicide rates in the U.K. [1], 49 women over three years equates to about 10% of homicides committed against women. As a proportion, that does not seem such a small number to me. 1. https://www.ons.gov.uk/generator?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide/de8eef7a&format=csv https://www.ons.gov.uk/generator?uri=/peoplepopulationandcom...
lazyasciiart 8y ago
Reported to the police for a crime. Stalking and threatening someone is a crime. All the police need to do is actually follow up and charge people who commit crimes and get reported to them, which is not exactly stripping people of their rights.
- mieseratte 8y ago
  > Reported to the police for a crime. Stalking and threatening someone is a crime. Outsider Question: Does the UK operate on presumed guilt or presumed innocence? If the latter, what options do the police have? In the US, although state-by-state, we have options ranging from "The accused automatically is arrested / sent before a judge" to "temporary restraining order, and at least one party must vacate the premises" to "nothing."

btilly 8y ago

The numbers would have seen significant improvement if they merely took seriously, "reported to police and has a prior conviction on the books". Would that be too tall an order for you?

DanBC 8y ago

No-one is asking for people to be stripped of their rights based on a single report to police. They're asking for better enforcement of non-contact orders (which are granted by judges, in court), especially in cases where the person already has a conviction for violence. 49 is a small number, but these are all preventable deaths and they're all a result of a system that fails to protect victims of domestic violence.

djrogers 8y ago
Nothing in the article indicates any non-contact orders were issued or violated here - I think you’re reading in to this

kelnage 8y ago

Based on previous recorded homicide rates in the U.K. [1], 49 women over three years equates to about 10% of homicides committed against women. As a proportion, that does not seem such a small number to me. 1. https://www.ons.gov.uk/generator?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide/de8eef7a&format=csv https://www.ons.gov.uk/generator?uri=/peoplepopulationandcom...

lazyasciiart 8y ago

Reported to the police for a crime. Stalking and threatening someone is a crime. All the police need to do is actually follow up and charge people who commit crimes and get reported to them, which is not exactly stripping people of their rights.

mieseratte 8y ago
> Reported to the police for a crime. Stalking and threatening someone is a crime. Outsider Question: Does the UK operate on presumed guilt or presumed innocence? If the latter, what options do the police have? In the US, although state-by-state, we have options ranging from "The accused automatically is arrested / sent before a judge" to "temporary restraining order, and at least one party must vacate the premises" to "nothing."