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How is telling people what is good for them, like you just did, not fundamentalism? Almost every server and smart phone install of Linux uses proprietary softwa

How is telling people what is good for them, like you just did, not fundamentalism? Almost every server and smart phone install of Linux uses proprietary software, that is clearly part of how people wants to use it. You yourself are communicating through many layers of proprietary software right now. This is exactly why people don't want to do open source. Because increasingly it isn't about culture, doing it better or making things happen. It is about telling people what to do and for people to enforce all sort of informal moral codes to protect their own position.

mattl 8y ago
I’m not telling people what is good for them. I’m describing the reasons for the creation of the GNU/Linux operating system. What proprietary software is being used on servers? I believe most Android users don’t know about user freedom, and those that do would greatly prefer a more generic, “pure” Android experience vs the poor quality applications installed by default on most non-Google phones. You’re confusing the initial ideas that were attributed to open source — seperating the software from the campaign for user freedom — with the free software community. Open source and free software are different movements with common results. The GNU/Linux operating system was built long before open source was a thing, and those founding principles of user freedom are attacked by proprietary software.
- toopsss 8y ago
  > The GNU/Linux operating system was built long before open source was a thing. Please find someone that worked in the field during the 70s. They hopefully will kindly re-educate you on this BS. Also if you’re talking about the OSI of the late 90s I’d argue that gnu/Linux was not long before that. Those initiatives pretty much grew together.
  - mattl 8y ago
    I’m not talking about a community of sharing and improving software. That existed and is the reason Stallman started the free software movement and GNU. I’m talking about the creation of the Open Source Initiative in 1998 and their initial distancing of software freedom from any practical benefits of the software created by the free software movement.

mattl 8y ago

I’m not telling people what is good for them. I’m describing the reasons for the creation of the GNU/Linux operating system. What proprietary software is being used on servers? I believe most Android users don’t know about user freedom, and those that do would greatly prefer a more generic, “pure” Android experience vs the poor quality applications installed by default on most non-Google phones. You’re confusing the initial ideas that were attributed to open source — seperating the software from the campaign for user freedom — with the free software community. Open source and free software are different movements with common results. The GNU/Linux operating system was built long before open source was a thing, and those founding principles of user freedom are attacked by proprietary software.

toopsss 8y ago
> The GNU/Linux operating system was built long before open source was a thing. Please find someone that worked in the field during the 70s. They hopefully will kindly re-educate you on this BS. Also if you’re talking about the OSI of the late 90s I’d argue that gnu/Linux was not long before that. Those initiatives pretty much grew together.
- mattl 8y ago
  I’m not talking about a community of sharing and improving software. That existed and is the reason Stallman started the free software movement and GNU. I’m talking about the creation of the Open Source Initiative in 1998 and their initial distancing of software freedom from any practical benefits of the software created by the free software movement.