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I barely see the problem. Sure, the header and footer aren't perfect, but stupidly large? I also don't feel any "cpu melting javascripts" and my PC is barely us

I barely see the problem. Sure, the header and footer aren't perfect, but stupidly large? I also don't feel any "cpu melting javascripts" and my PC is barely usable when I compile anything. For me, Medium provides a very readable experience that is much better than the average static blog. And I don't have to fear a malware ridden page like an old Wordpress installation.

drivers99 8y ago
Regarding the size of the header, in Safari on an iPhone 6, in landscape mode, the header is taking 25% of the screen real estate, and "open in app" is hovering over the text at the bottom. On the other hand, reader view, which removes all that, works well on the page.
pmlnr 8y ago
This is how the article looks like on 1280x800: https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png Sticky header/footer, cookie consent covering the menu, not a single line of the content visible. You consider this design good? I might be wrong with this specific site on the JS - it only loaded 121KB Javascript. The actual HTML of the entry is 30. WordPress nowadays upgrades itself to minor version - security patches - without touching it, and they release security patches for ancient versions as well. I'm aware there are unpatched sites out there, but they are either ancient - 5+ years - and untouched since, or deliberately crippled. Average static blog has a very decent default theme. But hey, different people, different opinions.
- hiccuphippo 8y ago
  Having the blog post outside Medium doesn't guarantee them all looking better. On the other side, it is easier to fix one site using custom CSS than it is to fix a bunch. An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant.
  - pmlnr 8y ago
    > An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant. It really doesn't. It doesn't fix it for non-firefox and non-power users.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      I was starting to think I was the only one with this opinion. The "Shitty design is fine because I personally know a way to get around it" school of thought never made sense to me.
    - __sr__ 8y ago
      Chrome is the only mainstream browser without a decent reading mode these days — because doesn’t want people hiding advertisements. One of the reasons I prefer not to use it. And enabling reader mode doesn’t need any power user skills, does it?
      - oblio 8y ago
        > Chrome is the only mainstream browser It "only" has 70%+ of the browser market share, and growing.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      Safari also has a reading mode. I would be shocked if Chrome and Edge didn't as well.
      - mintplant 8y ago
        Edge does, Chrome doesn't.
        foepys 8y ago
        Funnily enough, Chrome has a reader mode on Android but not in the desktop version. At the same time Chrome Desktop has add-ons, Chrome Android doesn't.
- wruza 8y ago
  1280x800 means you can have ad blocker at least (or tampermonkey). Block bottom bar and make header scrollable for this site once. Phones lack this, sadly.
  - pmlnr 8y ago
    Firefox on Android can install uBlock.
    - mattl 8y ago
      And uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    Why should people be expected to install an ad blocker and add a load of custom rules just to make a specific website usable? In what world is that reasonable?
    - wruza 8y ago
      IRL you can choose worlds only by denying possibilities, afaict. In a world where adblock is not an option you have to make a big change or tolerate.
  - larkeith 8y ago
    I just block Javascript for Medium on my phone, which helps (though there's still an obnoxiously large top bar). The availability of a workaround doesn't excuse Medium's poor design, though.
- vimslayer 8y ago
  It looks even worse on mobile https://i.imgur.com/EOm3D4Y.png https://i.imgur.com/EOm3D4Y.png I also don't think the JS is that bad here, the site loaded pretty fast for me even when I tested with a slow 3G network. But yeah that UI doesn't give a good reading experience.
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TelmoMenezes 8y ago
> I barely see the problem. I barely see anything at all. I managed to take a peek at the title between two large bars of some other stuff I don't care about.
gameswithgo 8y ago
its a problem whenever I visit my rural family.

drivers99 8y ago

Regarding the size of the header, in Safari on an iPhone 6, in landscape mode, the header is taking 25% of the screen real estate, and "open in app" is hovering over the text at the bottom. On the other hand, reader view, which removes all that, works well on the page.

pmlnr 8y ago

This is how the article looks like on 1280x800: https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png https://i.imgur.com/L07L4ce.png Sticky header/footer, cookie consent covering the menu, not a single line of the content visible. You consider this design good? I might be wrong with this specific site on the JS - it only loaded 121KB Javascript. The actual HTML of the entry is 30. WordPress nowadays upgrades itself to minor version - security patches - without touching it, and they release security patches for ancient versions as well. I'm aware there are unpatched sites out there, but they are either ancient - 5+ years - and untouched since, or deliberately crippled. Average static blog has a very decent default theme. But hey, different people, different opinions.

hiccuphippo 8y ago
Having the blog post outside Medium doesn't guarantee them all looking better. On the other side, it is easier to fix one site using custom CSS than it is to fix a bunch. An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant.
- pmlnr 8y ago
  > An on the other other side Firefox's reading mode makes this whole discussion irrelevant. It really doesn't. It doesn't fix it for non-firefox and non-power users.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    I was starting to think I was the only one with this opinion. The "Shitty design is fine because I personally know a way to get around it" school of thought never made sense to me.
  - __sr__ 8y ago
    Chrome is the only mainstream browser without a decent reading mode these days — because doesn’t want people hiding advertisements. One of the reasons I prefer not to use it. And enabling reader mode doesn’t need any power user skills, does it?
    - oblio 8y ago
      > Chrome is the only mainstream browser It "only" has 70%+ of the browser market share, and growing.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    Safari also has a reading mode. I would be shocked if Chrome and Edge didn't as well.
    - mintplant 8y ago
      Edge does, Chrome doesn't.
      - foepys 8y ago
        Funnily enough, Chrome has a reader mode on Android but not in the desktop version. At the same time Chrome Desktop has add-ons, Chrome Android doesn't.
wruza 8y ago
1280x800 means you can have ad blocker at least (or tampermonkey). Block bottom bar and make header scrollable for this site once. Phones lack this, sadly.
- pmlnr 8y ago
  Firefox on Android can install uBlock.
  - mattl 8y ago
    And uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Why should people be expected to install an ad blocker and add a load of custom rules just to make a specific website usable? In what world is that reasonable?
  - wruza 8y ago
    IRL you can choose worlds only by denying possibilities, afaict. In a world where adblock is not an option you have to make a big change or tolerate.
- larkeith 8y ago
  I just block Javascript for Medium on my phone, which helps (though there's still an obnoxiously large top bar). The availability of a workaround doesn't excuse Medium's poor design, though.
vimslayer 8y ago
It looks even worse on mobile https://i.imgur.com/EOm3D4Y.png https://i.imgur.com/EOm3D4Y.png I also don't think the JS is that bad here, the site loaded pretty fast for me even when I tested with a slow 3G network. But yeah that UI doesn't give a good reading experience.
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TelmoMenezes 8y ago

> I barely see the problem. I barely see anything at all. I managed to take a peek at the title between two large bars of some other stuff I don't care about.

gameswithgo 8y ago

its a problem whenever I visit my rural family.