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Whilst this is pretty handy, I balked at the "let us submit for you for $89". Like - eek! Really?! Also - the "get the pdf version" is really a dark pattern si

Whilst this is pretty handy, I balked at the "let us submit for you for $89". Like - eek! Really?! Also - the "get the pdf version" is really a dark pattern since you're not allowed to download it without first paying some non-zero amount that you laughably get to choose. Might be a bit nicer to say, "buy the pdf version".

yial 8y ago
It looks like “$0” as an amount works to get the PDF.
- philbarr 8y ago
  not when I try it it doesn't
  - yial 8y ago
    As in type in “0” not leave it empty.
    - sulam 8y ago
      And now they have your email?
      - yial 8y ago
        I guess the email becomes the price you pay.
mgiannopoulos 8y ago
It’s not a dark pattern(1) if you enter the amount yourself (and you can enter 0.01$ I assume). (1) “Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to.” https://darkpatterns.org/ https://darkpatterns.org/
- philbarr 8y ago
  ok, maybe dark pattern is a bit strong, but I clearly clicked the button thinking I could just download it, and instead was presented with a form to buy it. It's a least a little disingenuous.
  - mgiannopoulos 8y ago
    You don’t need to buy it, you can enter zero in the form and get it for free. It’s basically donationware
canterburry 8y ago
Interesting, I actually found the $89 a bargain given how long it will take to just create accounts on all these services before I can submit anything. That alone will take hours. My worry is just that this service will quickly get marked as a spammer and probably blocked or downvoted as a poster in many places.
- goatherders 8y ago
  Agreed. $89 is basically 89 cents per submission. My time is worth a lot more than that. I would be glad to pay for this service (and probably will) just for the backlink juice.
  - onion2k 8y ago
    I would be glad to pay for this service (and probably will) just for the backlink juice. You should be very wary about doing that. Some of the link in the list are news sites (eg Mashable). If someone at a news site sees you're spamming them they'll be a lot less likely to cover your startup favourably in the future. While you might get some 'backlink juice' out of it, you could also be burning some very valuable bridges.
    - goatherders 8y ago
      I don't think the chance is high that someone is going to NOT cover my company because they remember that some months prior I submitted a link to their site.
      - onion2k 8y ago
        You didn't submit the link though. When a journalist does a quick search of their email to see what correspondence there's been before they won't see you. They'll see Eggradients, and whatever Eggradients put in that initial submission. That might be something great. Equally it might be terrible. Imagine if it said "Eggradients client ACME STARTUP is really good. Please contact Eggradients if you would like to know more!" Do you really want that to be the first contact your startup has with the media?
chuckgreenman 8y ago
The UX is kind of confusing but it will accept $0 and email you the pdf, just tried it!
- philbarr 8y ago
  ah ok I see - you actually have to type "0". doh

yial 8y ago

It looks like “$0” as an amount works to get the PDF.

philbarr 8y ago
not when I try it it doesn't
- yial 8y ago
  As in type in “0” not leave it empty.
  - sulam 8y ago
    And now they have your email?
    - yial 8y ago
      I guess the email becomes the price you pay.

mgiannopoulos 8y ago

It’s not a dark pattern(1) if you enter the amount yourself (and you can enter 0.01$ I assume). (1) “Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to.” https://darkpatterns.org/ https://darkpatterns.org/

philbarr 8y ago
ok, maybe dark pattern is a bit strong, but I clearly clicked the button thinking I could just download it, and instead was presented with a form to buy it. It's a least a little disingenuous.
- mgiannopoulos 8y ago
  You don’t need to buy it, you can enter zero in the form and get it for free. It’s basically donationware

canterburry 8y ago

Interesting, I actually found the $89 a bargain given how long it will take to just create accounts on all these services before I can submit anything. That alone will take hours. My worry is just that this service will quickly get marked as a spammer and probably blocked or downvoted as a poster in many places.

goatherders 8y ago
Agreed. $89 is basically 89 cents per submission. My time is worth a lot more than that. I would be glad to pay for this service (and probably will) just for the backlink juice.
- onion2k 8y ago
  I would be glad to pay for this service (and probably will) just for the backlink juice. You should be very wary about doing that. Some of the link in the list are news sites (eg Mashable). If someone at a news site sees you're spamming them they'll be a lot less likely to cover your startup favourably in the future. While you might get some 'backlink juice' out of it, you could also be burning some very valuable bridges.
  - goatherders 8y ago
    I don't think the chance is high that someone is going to NOT cover my company because they remember that some months prior I submitted a link to their site.
    - onion2k 8y ago
      You didn't submit the link though. When a journalist does a quick search of their email to see what correspondence there's been before they won't see you. They'll see Eggradients, and whatever Eggradients put in that initial submission. That might be something great. Equally it might be terrible. Imagine if it said "Eggradients client ACME STARTUP is really good. Please contact Eggradients if you would like to know more!" Do you really want that to be the first contact your startup has with the media?

chuckgreenman 8y ago

The UX is kind of confusing but it will accept $0 and email you the pdf, just tried it!

philbarr 8y ago
ah ok I see - you actually have to type "0". doh