> I've sometimes thought that it might be nice in an abstract sense to have kids. I'm sure there are some nice moments. But in practice whenever I see my friend

> I've sometimes thought that it might be nice in an abstract sense to have kids. I'm sure there are some nice moments. But in practice whenever I see my friends with kids, they look so beleaguered and complain about never having time. I just think: Who needs it? Well, not everyone necessarily needs or enjoys having kids. Then again, if you catch many startup founders while they're building a company, they'll similarly complain about never having free time and will look similarly beleaguered. That doesn't mean it's not worth starting a startup - just that there are downsides as well as upsides. And obviously it's not for everyone. You might only be seeing the downsides of people with kids, and missing the upsides; Partially because the upsides come at a later age (just from my read on things, not personal experience yet); Partially because a lot of the upsides are less visible in public (tender moments with loved ones tend to be in private).