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I'll say that these are no longer "Pro" devices.

• hrktb 8y ago
  Arguably losing data from the laptop is more of a consumer issue. “Pro” users will be more inclined to have a workflow to mitigate hardware failure.
  • nbdev 8y ago
    Yeah, "it's crappier because pros use it" is arguable.
  • IntelMiner 8y ago
    It should not be up to the user to mitigate flawed hardware design
    • jacobush 8y ago
      It looks like excellent design, encryption is working even against Apple as an "attacker". Right?
      • WalterSear 8y ago
        It's a specious reason, and disengenous dissembly. There's nothing about encryption that precludes low-level duplication. This just something "you don't need" because they would rather shave another millimeter of the width, for the larger and more lucrative fashion-focused part of their customerbase.
        • adt2bt 8y ago
          What? This isn’t about the size of the laptop. The 2018 model is the same size. The T2 chip on the logic board contains the decryption key for the SSD. Therefore, if the logic board breaks (and thus the T2), the data are irrecoverable. The design choice was either software encryption and data exfiltration port or hardware encryption and no port. They chose to add hardware encryption, so no port.
        • simonh 8y ago
          What has this got to do with low level duplication? How would that mitigate encryption hardware failure?
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    • jonknee 8y ago
      Encryption is not flawed hardware design. You also can't recover data from your iPhone and most people on HN consider that a feature, not a bug.
    • hrktb 8y ago
      To clarify my comment, the trigger of the issue here is a motherboard failure, and data loss is cascading from there. Sure Apple makes decision that can affect the outcome in this specific case, but other things happen to laptops (physical damage, loss, direct disk failure etc.). I would blame a pro user with valuable info for not backing/replicating it in case the laptop dies. Actually I am not even sure the laptop could go to repair with the data still salvageable in companies with strict security protocols.
    • simonh 8y ago
      Hardware fails, that's just a fact of life and an inevitable consequence of the second law of thermodynamics. All the comment you are replying to is saying is that pros should know this and back up their data - preferably using multiple methods. I'd argue everyone should do this. Personally I use Time Machine and Backblaze, plus all my most important stuff is in Dropbox.
  • alerighi 8y ago
    If you have a normal laptop when it fails you can take a screw driver and put the SSD of the broken machine into another functioning computer, and in 10 minutes you are continuing you work where you left it. That is more convenient than having to move to another PC, install the OS, all the software that you need, copy the data from somewhere, a procedure that takes a couple of hours. And of course with a normal computer when you send your PC to service you can take out the SSD so the service personal cannot see your private data and so you can continue to work with another computer while you wait for the other to be repaired.
    • ahje 8y ago
      Many modern drives will encrypt the data if you enable a HDD password. HDD passwords can't always be unlocked using another make/model so if you enable a HDD password on your you actually do risk ending up in the same situation.
• chrisper 8y ago
  TPM, which does the same thing, has been around for a while too. Mostly in business laptops. So it's very much Pro.