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Rehashed Article from the same author was posted a few years later in 2015, https://secondnaturejournal.com/neil-postman-judeo-christian-worldview/ https://seco

Rehashed Article from the same author was posted a few years later in 2015, https://secondnaturejournal.com/neil-postman-judeo-christian-worldview/ https://secondnaturejournal.com/neil-postman-judeo-christian.... In my former life I was a graduate student in Historical Theology so this was my silo of "expertise" AKA I can be a critics easier then most. Only one HUGE logical problem. C.S. Lewis wasn't a Evangelical Christian he was Anglican. Evangelicals at the time hated them with equal venom to Roman Catholics C.S. Lewis converted to Christianity by JR Tolkien (Yes the one who wrote Lord of the Rings) who was Roman Catholic. SOOOOO What is written about Postman's lectures are also true of Lewis. They both came from outside of Evangelicaldom and were respected for their thoughts. Also they stated that George Whitefield (1714-1770) was Anglican BUT he co-founded the Methodist Church with John and Charles Wesley which was the founding of Evangelical Christianity of today. They were the Martin Luther of the Anglican Church. Also Postman was not an evangelical, but a Jewish humanist. For some unknown reason Modern Atheist have hijacked the term Humanist which was actually found by the Reformation Founders. I have read Postman and his book "Amusing Ourselves to Death" especially Chapter 8 "Shuffle Off to Bethlehem" show that Postman had some positive views of religion and was at best a Agnostic with positive feelings towards religion. I believe Postman would also share in my declaration Humanism historically and fundamentally doesn't mean Atheist. Atheist is a good term why leave it to take over another term and all its historical foundations? Humanism was founded by Christians and not some academia but the leaders of the Reformation Movement of Calvin and Luther.

pvg 8y ago
Only one HUGE logical problem. C.S. Lewis wasn't a Evangelical Christian he was Anglican What's the logical problem here? The article doesn't claim C.S. Lewis was an Evangelical (it's not about C.S. Lewis at all) nor does it claim Postman was one.
- coldtea 8y ago
  It's not about what it claims, but about what it implies. That Postman was an "unlikely influence", being secular, whereas C.S Lewis is mentioned as an obvious (since Christian) influence. But, as the parent observes, C.S Lewis was also an unlikely influence to evangelicals, being an anglican.
  - pvg 8y ago
    It's hard to tell what it 'observes', it just says HUGE in all caps and then talks about things that aren't in the article.
- baldfat 8y ago
  HUGE was Postman and Lewis were both the same in Evangelical eyes. Lewis didn't help Postman any more then they were just respected men for their thoughts and writings.
_emacsomancer_ 8y ago
There are Evangelical Anglicans [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Anglicanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Anglicanism ] too (though Lewis wasn't one as far as I know).
- baldfat 8y ago
  Correct which even further makes my point that C.S. Lewis wasn't an obvious influencer.
haloux 8y ago
>Humanism was founded by Christians and not some academia but the leaders of the Reformation Movement of Calvin and Luther. Surely you’re taking some artistic license here in asserting that Luther, and then later, Calvin are the founders of what we consider humanism. Care to explain?
- n4r9 8y ago
  OP isn't asserting that what we now consider to be humanism was founded by Luther/Calvin. They're making a (slightly irrelevant) claim that the meaning of the term "humanism" has changed from some sort of Christian humanism to the secular humanism we have today.
dctoedt 8y ago
> he co-founded the Methodist Church with John and Charles Wesley Close: The Wesleys were both priests of the Church of England; while founder John Wesley defied a lot of C of E doctrines and conventions, and "rejoiced that the Methodists in America were free, he advised his English followers to remain in the established church and he himself died within it." [0] Charles Wesley strongly opposed separation from the C of E. [1] Only after they died did their Methodism movement formally split off. [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wesley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wesley [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist_Church_of_Great_Britain#Separation_from_the_Church_of_England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist_Church_of_Great_Brit...

pvg 8y ago

Only one HUGE logical problem. C.S. Lewis wasn't a Evangelical Christian he was Anglican What's the logical problem here? The article doesn't claim C.S. Lewis was an Evangelical (it's not about C.S. Lewis at all) nor does it claim Postman was one.

coldtea 8y ago
It's not about what it claims, but about what it implies. That Postman was an "unlikely influence", being secular, whereas C.S Lewis is mentioned as an obvious (since Christian) influence. But, as the parent observes, C.S Lewis was also an unlikely influence to evangelicals, being an anglican.
- pvg 8y ago
  It's hard to tell what it 'observes', it just says HUGE in all caps and then talks about things that aren't in the article.
baldfat 8y ago
HUGE was Postman and Lewis were both the same in Evangelical eyes. Lewis didn't help Postman any more then they were just respected men for their thoughts and writings.

_emacsomancer_ 8y ago

There are Evangelical Anglicans [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Anglicanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Anglicanism ] too (though Lewis wasn't one as far as I know).

baldfat 8y ago
Correct which even further makes my point that C.S. Lewis wasn't an obvious influencer.

haloux 8y ago

>Humanism was founded by Christians and not some academia but the leaders of the Reformation Movement of Calvin and Luther. Surely you’re taking some artistic license here in asserting that Luther, and then later, Calvin are the founders of what we consider humanism. Care to explain?

n4r9 8y ago
OP isn't asserting that what we now consider to be humanism was founded by Luther/Calvin. They're making a (slightly irrelevant) claim that the meaning of the term "humanism" has changed from some sort of Christian humanism to the secular humanism we have today.

dctoedt 8y ago

> he co-founded the Methodist Church with John and Charles Wesley Close: The Wesleys were both priests of the Church of England; while founder John Wesley defied a lot of C of E doctrines and conventions, and "rejoiced that the Methodists in America were free, he advised his English followers to remain in the established church and he himself died within it." [0] Charles Wesley strongly opposed separation from the C of E. [1] Only after they died did their Methodism movement formally split off. [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wesley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wesley [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist_Church_of_Great_Britain#Separation_from_the_Church_of_England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist_Church_of_Great_Brit...