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$60000 is a lot to pay for a $35000 car. The insides look at like a nissan or a honda. At $60k the benz and audi do feel luxury as compared to this.

ebikelaw 8y ago
The inside of a Model 3 is not anywhere near as nice as the inside of any other expensive car. For $40k at an Acura dealer you will get the top-of-the-line interior with fancy stitching on the seats, an actual instrument package, Android Auto and CarPlay, etc. And that's at a price point where Tesla cars are currently not even available.
- martythemaniak 8y ago
  > an actual instrument package What does that mean? > Android Auto and CarPlay You think that's a feature worth shelling out for, I think it's a crutch.
  - ebikelaw 8y ago
    >> an actual instrument package > What does that mean? It means the speedometer is in front of the driver where it belongs. >> Android Auto and CarPlay > You think that's a feature worth shelling out for, I think it's a crutch. On the Internet, opinions are pretty much free of charge, of course. Android Auto voice control is dramatically better than the voice control that comes in a Model 3, and Android Auto pre-caches map tiles along your route (and anywhere else you specify) while the software in the Model 3 never preloads anything so it's pretty much always showing blank tiles when in an area of no mobile coverage. Also when Tesla goes out of business or for any other reason decides to stop supporting and paying for the mobile data connection in the Model 3 owners are going to wish they had something more like AA or CarPlay that's upgradeable separately from the vehicle.
sabareesh 8y ago
Real Luxury is the car drives for you, at least in the traffic but still with your attention. I know Autopilot is still on early stages
askafriend 8y ago
Luxury for me means a touchscreen that works, a media/navigation system that doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out, a car that adapts to my preferences at every step of the way, evolves as technology evolves around it and an experience that was deliberately crafted from start to finish. Luxury for me does not mean fancy stitching, special leather, a mechanical clock on the dashboard for no reason, software that doesn't get updated, exquisite wood grain in random places, lots of knobs, shiny trims, "dealership experience", or 4 years of free oil changes. I think you'll see the definition of luxury change as our concept of mobility changes. Traditional markers of luxury won't matter anymore and that will leave incumbents who have traditional luxury as their core competence in a weird place.
- foepys 8y ago
  I'm not convinced that a single, large touchscreen is actually good UX for a car. Knobs make me feel way safer while driving because they give be instant feedback on my selected setting by either clicking or snapping into position. I don't want to take my eyes of the road to change my AC setting, to enable the rear window heating, or to change the radio channel. Before people now come around to tell me I can have both: there's limited space in a car for that. If you place everything too narrow, you won't gain anything in terms of safety.
  - askafriend 8y ago
    I think you have to drive one for a weekend to truly be the judge. Your argument is the kind of argument people made about tactile keyboards when iPhone first came out with a completely software one. On the surface, it was a valid concern - physical keyboards were simply far better input devices than software based ones when considered in isolation. However keyboards are part of a system, and in the system the physical keyboard was a local maxima. For the system to grow past that local maxima, it had to ditch the physical keyboard. Yes there are tradeoffs to make, but it's a different set of tradeoffs - ones that we can adapt around given a better future for the system as a whole. That being said, you really have to live with it for a weekend before being able to judge it in full. I think people are right - purpose built physical buttons and switches will always be superior at some level to software buttons, especially when driving. However, it's worth considering if there is the promise of a better future for the whole system by going down the 100% software route. Maybe it's a bit ahead of its time, but consider a semi-autonomous future where drivers mostly only assist driving and spend 90% of their time free to do other things (1). In the mean time Tesla gets better at delivering software updates to hundreds of thousands of cars in the wild, improving their software processes as a competitive advantage. Other car companies simply aren't doing this. In the future, every car company will need to do this and learn to get good at doing it. (1) If you've tried Autopilot, you know it's good enough that engaging with the touch screen for extended periods is no problem at all.

ebikelaw 8y ago

The inside of a Model 3 is not anywhere near as nice as the inside of any other expensive car. For $40k at an Acura dealer you will get the top-of-the-line interior with fancy stitching on the seats, an actual instrument package, Android Auto and CarPlay, etc. And that's at a price point where Tesla cars are currently not even available.

martythemaniak 8y ago
> an actual instrument package What does that mean? > Android Auto and CarPlay You think that's a feature worth shelling out for, I think it's a crutch.
- ebikelaw 8y ago
  >> an actual instrument package > What does that mean? It means the speedometer is in front of the driver where it belongs. >> Android Auto and CarPlay > You think that's a feature worth shelling out for, I think it's a crutch. On the Internet, opinions are pretty much free of charge, of course. Android Auto voice control is dramatically better than the voice control that comes in a Model 3, and Android Auto pre-caches map tiles along your route (and anywhere else you specify) while the software in the Model 3 never preloads anything so it's pretty much always showing blank tiles when in an area of no mobile coverage. Also when Tesla goes out of business or for any other reason decides to stop supporting and paying for the mobile data connection in the Model 3 owners are going to wish they had something more like AA or CarPlay that's upgradeable separately from the vehicle.

sabareesh 8y ago

Real Luxury is the car drives for you, at least in the traffic but still with your attention. I know Autopilot is still on early stages

askafriend 8y ago

Luxury for me means a touchscreen that works, a media/navigation system that doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out, a car that adapts to my preferences at every step of the way, evolves as technology evolves around it and an experience that was deliberately crafted from start to finish. Luxury for me does not mean fancy stitching, special leather, a mechanical clock on the dashboard for no reason, software that doesn't get updated, exquisite wood grain in random places, lots of knobs, shiny trims, "dealership experience", or 4 years of free oil changes. I think you'll see the definition of luxury change as our concept of mobility changes. Traditional markers of luxury won't matter anymore and that will leave incumbents who have traditional luxury as their core competence in a weird place.

foepys 8y ago
I'm not convinced that a single, large touchscreen is actually good UX for a car. Knobs make me feel way safer while driving because they give be instant feedback on my selected setting by either clicking or snapping into position. I don't want to take my eyes of the road to change my AC setting, to enable the rear window heating, or to change the radio channel. Before people now come around to tell me I can have both: there's limited space in a car for that. If you place everything too narrow, you won't gain anything in terms of safety.
- askafriend 8y ago
  I think you have to drive one for a weekend to truly be the judge. Your argument is the kind of argument people made about tactile keyboards when iPhone first came out with a completely software one. On the surface, it was a valid concern - physical keyboards were simply far better input devices than software based ones when considered in isolation. However keyboards are part of a system, and in the system the physical keyboard was a local maxima. For the system to grow past that local maxima, it had to ditch the physical keyboard. Yes there are tradeoffs to make, but it's a different set of tradeoffs - ones that we can adapt around given a better future for the system as a whole. That being said, you really have to live with it for a weekend before being able to judge it in full. I think people are right - purpose built physical buttons and switches will always be superior at some level to software buttons, especially when driving. However, it's worth considering if there is the promise of a better future for the whole system by going down the 100% software route. Maybe it's a bit ahead of its time, but consider a semi-autonomous future where drivers mostly only assist driving and spend 90% of their time free to do other things (1). In the mean time Tesla gets better at delivering software updates to hundreds of thousands of cars in the wild, improving their software processes as a competitive advantage. Other car companies simply aren't doing this. In the future, every car company will need to do this and learn to get good at doing it. (1) If you've tried Autopilot, you know it's good enough that engaging with the touch screen for extended periods is no problem at all.