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I love how vegans and vegetarians have this 'holier then thou' attitude. Not like we don't need still a lot of land to grow our crops, but whatever. What will

I love how vegans and vegetarians have this 'holier then thou' attitude. Not like we don't need still a lot of land to grow our crops, but whatever. What will be his next move? Bans using electricity? Orders every employee to live in a cave? I hope he will write the holy book of Wework with 10, 20, maybe a 100 commandments. I am excited to see the exodus from Wework. Maybe that can be a chapter in that holy book.

taeric 8y ago
While I actually agree with you in some respect, the hyperbole is not helping your cause. Unless you are just wanting echo chamber comments. I think there are too many confounding factors here, but would be heavily interested in knowing if there are any results that are worth talking about from the company trying this. Health or productivity related. (And, obviously, positive or negative.)
- lstodd 8y ago
  >I think there are too many confounding factors here care to name some?
- MrLeftHand 8y ago
  I think one of the big factors might be, that it's more about money then the environment. The last time I've heard about Wework is that they are still expanding and not making any profit yet. It might be, that the funds are running dry and to cut costs, they are forcing their employees to bring in their on food on own expense. Should have kicked off with this thought process.
tantivy 8y ago
Raising livestock means using cropland to grow feed. It's hugely less efficient than growing plants for human consumption using the same resources. If you eat meat, have you ever asked yourself why?
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Because it is delicious.
  - dabbledash 8y ago
    Yes. That’s the real answer. In developed countries, most of us kill animals only for pleasure. And because we want to do that as cheaply as possible, the conditions those animals spend their lives in are pretty bad.
    - jackfraser 8y ago
      So?
    - lstodd 8y ago
      It's not like plants spend their lives in conditions that are any much better.
  - adamnemecek 8y ago
    Does your preference offset the suffering and impact on the environment?
    - paulie_a 8y ago
      I will be totally honest and upfront, yes it does. Humans are meat eaters, I am never going to convert away from that diet
      - adamnemecek 8y ago
        Your ethics are off then.
        SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        "Holier than thou" at its finest.
patagonia 8y ago
Sooo, your comment is kinda aggressive. Just saying. I don’t doubt that there are many vegans / vegetarians with a holier than though attitude. But as a vegetarian and ex- vegan, I have experienced more than enough lecturing on why my choice is dumb or wrong to last a lifetime, been the butt of more jokes to count (actually it’s mostly the same three jokes heard over and over), and seen many many people wear that look on their face of “how dare you threaten my sense of self that has existed unquestioned for decades and so now I will lash out at you so I don’t have to confront this scary place”. And I as a rule do not pro-offer the info that I’m vegetarian and I never proselytize and I only explain my decision if someone asks multiple times and they agree to have more than a two min discussion on it and understand that I view it as my very personal decision. Anyhow. This topic could def benefit from us all agreeing to approach it constructively.
- MrLeftHand 8y ago
  Sorry, if I offended you. I am not against vegans or vegetarians, but you never see a non-vegan one walking up to you and telling you that you are a shit person if you're not one of them. I think veganism and vegetarianism is slowly becoming a cult. I have vegan and vegetarian friends and I never make fun of them. I am usually curious why people chose that diet. Some do out of love for the animals, other do it because of the carbon emission and there are who just do it to try and eat healthier and such. No problem with this. I have problem with the vegan police culture.
  - patagonia 8y ago
    You did not offend me. I was just making a remark about the tone of your comment, and suggesting that the conversation would benefit from a general change in tone. So you’ve never seen a PETA (people eating tasty animals) shirt? I’ve personally had people tell me I’m dumb and/or wrong. Many, many times. Sometimes in an aggressive manner. I probably experience this more than you because I’m vegetarian and you are not. That is just my experience.
    - MrLeftHand 8y ago
dempseye 8y ago
I have to wonder where your anger against vegetarians and vegans comes from.
- MrLeftHand 8y ago
  I am angry when they tell you what you can eat. Whilst we let them be vegans, or vegetarians they don't want us to be meat eaters. That is the difference. Yes, you have meat eaters mocking vegans and vegetarians, but they still wont deny your right to be one. And this is effectively doing that. But this whole thing is probably about forcing the employees to bring in their own food and cutting down company costs. They're still growing and don't make any huge amount of profit.
adamnemecek 8y ago
Livestock is a bigger contributor to global warming than cars.
- MrLeftHand 8y ago
  I would argue with that. Also if you want to find the biggest carbon emitter then look no further then the oceans. We should ban them too. Or at least that was in one study, but who knows. There are hundreds of studies nowadays on this topic.
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taeric 8y ago

While I actually agree with you in some respect, the hyperbole is not helping your cause. Unless you are just wanting echo chamber comments. I think there are too many confounding factors here, but would be heavily interested in knowing if there are any results that are worth talking about from the company trying this. Health or productivity related. (And, obviously, positive or negative.)

lstodd 8y ago
>I think there are too many confounding factors here care to name some?
MrLeftHand 8y ago
I think one of the big factors might be, that it's more about money then the environment. The last time I've heard about Wework is that they are still expanding and not making any profit yet. It might be, that the funds are running dry and to cut costs, they are forcing their employees to bring in their on food on own expense. Should have kicked off with this thought process.

tantivy 8y ago

Raising livestock means using cropland to grow feed. It's hugely less efficient than growing plants for human consumption using the same resources. If you eat meat, have you ever asked yourself why?

paulie_a 8y ago
Because it is delicious.
- dabbledash 8y ago
  Yes. That’s the real answer. In developed countries, most of us kill animals only for pleasure. And because we want to do that as cheaply as possible, the conditions those animals spend their lives in are pretty bad.
  - jackfraser 8y ago
    So?
  - lstodd 8y ago
    It's not like plants spend their lives in conditions that are any much better.
- adamnemecek 8y ago
  Does your preference offset the suffering and impact on the environment?
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    I will be totally honest and upfront, yes it does. Humans are meat eaters, I am never going to convert away from that diet
    - adamnemecek 8y ago
      Your ethics are off then.
      - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        "Holier than thou" at its finest.

patagonia 8y ago

Sooo, your comment is kinda aggressive. Just saying. I don’t doubt that there are many vegans / vegetarians with a holier than though attitude. But as a vegetarian and ex- vegan, I have experienced more than enough lecturing on why my choice is dumb or wrong to last a lifetime, been the butt of more jokes to count (actually it’s mostly the same three jokes heard over and over), and seen many many people wear that look on their face of “how dare you threaten my sense of self that has existed unquestioned for decades and so now I will lash out at you so I don’t have to confront this scary place”. And I as a rule do not pro-offer the info that I’m vegetarian and I never proselytize and I only explain my decision if someone asks multiple times and they agree to have more than a two min discussion on it and understand that I view it as my very personal decision. Anyhow. This topic could def benefit from us all agreeing to approach it constructively.

MrLeftHand 8y ago
Sorry, if I offended you. I am not against vegans or vegetarians, but you never see a non-vegan one walking up to you and telling you that you are a shit person if you're not one of them. I think veganism and vegetarianism is slowly becoming a cult. I have vegan and vegetarian friends and I never make fun of them. I am usually curious why people chose that diet. Some do out of love for the animals, other do it because of the carbon emission and there are who just do it to try and eat healthier and such. No problem with this. I have problem with the vegan police culture.
- patagonia 8y ago
  You did not offend me. I was just making a remark about the tone of your comment, and suggesting that the conversation would benefit from a general change in tone. So you’ve never seen a PETA (people eating tasty animals) shirt? I’ve personally had people tell me I’m dumb and/or wrong. Many, many times. Sometimes in an aggressive manner. I probably experience this more than you because I’m vegetarian and you are not. That is just my experience.
  - MrLeftHand 8y ago

dempseye 8y ago

I have to wonder where your anger against vegetarians and vegans comes from.

MrLeftHand 8y ago
I am angry when they tell you what you can eat. Whilst we let them be vegans, or vegetarians they don't want us to be meat eaters. That is the difference. Yes, you have meat eaters mocking vegans and vegetarians, but they still wont deny your right to be one. And this is effectively doing that. But this whole thing is probably about forcing the employees to bring in their own food and cutting down company costs. They're still growing and don't make any huge amount of profit.

adamnemecek 8y ago

Livestock is a bigger contributor to global warming than cars.

MrLeftHand 8y ago
I would argue with that. Also if you want to find the biggest carbon emitter then look no further then the oceans. We should ban them too. Or at least that was in one study, but who knows. There are hundreds of studies nowadays on this topic.

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